Osgiliath and other unique settlements

**St Naffatun** · June 14, 2008, 03:48 AM

The permanent stone forst looks like it might provide a solution, these look like unique settlements from Master Zuma's mod

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=160955

Where there is a will there's a way good luck

and...
get to WORK! *whip* whip*

*whip*

**Mithrandir** · June 14, 2008, 08:08 AM

Nice looking forts... looking forward to seeing what the TATW team can do with them.

**The Count(er)** · June 14, 2008, 01:06 PM

I still don't like the idea it'd be better for gameplay if things like this were small settlements instead of a stone fort even if it's not as acurate

**Poach** · June 14, 2008, 01:18 PM

Could allow us to make realistic looking Helm's Deep or Minas Tirith models though. I don't know how the custom cities works or indeed how far it can be adapted, but if it's possible to make unique city models for the important sites of Middle Earth it could enhance the mod greatly!

**The Count(er)** · June 14, 2008, 01:32 PM

not really stone forts are tiny and would look nothing like Helms Deep or Minas Tirith

**Poach** · June 14, 2008, 01:35 PM

Indeed, but if the method used to create the custom forts is open-ended enough, the team may be able to make it look like Helm's Deep. Just because the forts shown in the pictures there are all small and square, doesn't mean the method is necessarily restricted to creating only that design and size. You can see in one there's a bridge into the fort, probably not traversable by ingame units, but you can see the potential there.

**SilentLamb** · June 14, 2008, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by The Count(er)

not really stone forts are tiny and would look nothing like Helms Deep or Minas Tirith

Helms deep wasn't really huge though. Nor was it a training center for Rohan. If you can train units besides Militia in Helms Deep, or it's population could increase, that would be a little rediculous.

**Poach** · June 14, 2008, 01:57 PM

I don't know enough about Lord of the Rings to sensibly argue, perhaps then give the options to those that wish to make use of it, allowing them to gear it up? I know if I had somewhere like that with a country full of peasant farmers I'd make use of it as a centre for military!

**The Count(er)** · June 14, 2008, 02:01 PM

well making it a stone fort will just mean that it will never be used by the AI and means that there is no point to owning it at all because losing it will cause no problems making it a castle will fix that because it can still be your last settlement if Isenguard does what they did in the movies

**Poach** · June 14, 2008, 02:06 PM

I think Silentlamb was arguing for restricting it's unit production capability more than what type of settlement it will be.

Since it was never used unless in emergancy, he feels unit production from there should be minimal, not so much making it a permenant fort, more a castle or such, if the tool used to mod the permenant forts can be transferred to proper city modding.

**The Big Red 1** · June 14, 2008, 03:56 PM

Yeah but helm's deep is where you train Heminglas.

**Mithrandir** · June 14, 2008, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Red 1

Yeah but helm's deep is where you train Heminglas.

Helmingas

**Poach** · June 14, 2008, 07:59 PM

Helms Deep with a TW engine would be sweeeeeet though!

**The Count(er)** · June 14, 2008, 08:24 PM

yes it would but after research I can only see helms deep work as a historical battle and won't work on the campaign or as a custom battle(but who knows someone might find a way...)

**Mithrandir** · June 16, 2008, 07:26 AM

Having Helm's Deep in a historical battle is awesome...
The campaign model can wait.

**The Count(er)** · June 16, 2008, 09:56 AM

asuming it can be done that is

**Mithrandir** · June 16, 2008, 10:30 AM

It can. The question is how and when it can be done.

**The Big Red 1** · June 16, 2008, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Mithrandir the Istari

It can. The question is how and when it can be done.

The question is how can we get third party software made by ppl in like Sweden. Because I'm pretty sure it is made. It's just how secretive said mod in question is going to be about it.

I'm being very sneaky yes.

**Colonel Cleg McLeg** · June 16, 2008, 02:21 PM

Interesting. It would be possible to use these forts as settlements on the campaign map, no? If so, they'd be perfect for some fortresses which didn't protect a large population behind their walls - places like Cair Andros, and, as I've seen discussed, Helm's Deep.

**The Count(er)** · June 16, 2008, 02:44 PM

yeah but I at least want more settlements and less permanent forts anyways if Helms Deep was a permanent fort Rohan can't make it their last settlement when Isenguard attacks all of Rohan which happened in the book