Errr....not many will like that.

[ComnenusTheOne]

If u want to insult anyone.....u will succeed.

I think u should change that little trait.

[SicilianVespers]

Don't worry, alot of this has all been revised in the next version. I sometimes forget to update the text when I change the ancillaries in the various eras.


[EDIT]

I believe the Skopia region is the Katepanate (or Doukate) of Bulgaria in the early era now. I would have to look at the files to be sure.

[NikeBG]

[EDIT]

I believe the Skopia region is the Katepanate (or Doukate) of Bulgaria in the early era now. I would have to look at the files to be sure.

Correct, in Byzantine times, Skopie was the seat of the tema Bulgaria indeed (while tema Macedonia was around Thrace).
But I personally don't see anything that could be found as "offensive" in the pic anyway...

[SicilianVespers]

Correct, in Byzantine times, Skopie was the seat of the tema Bulgaria indeed (while tema Macedonia was around Thrace).
But I personally don't see anything that could be found as "offensive" in the pic anyway...

This is how they are setup in the new early campaign.

Right now Skopia/Bulgaria is the Katepanate of Bulgaria and I believe the Adrianople province is the Thema of Makedonia.

I may still revise this by renaming some to Doukates where appropriate (Adrianople, Thessalonika, etc..)

[ComnenusTheOne]

Correct, in Byzantine times, Skopie was the seat of the tema Bulgaria indeed (while tema Macedonia was around Thrace).
But I personally don't see anything that could be found as "offensive" in the pic anyway...

Mmmmmany Greek players would.

[es_bih]

Mmmmmany Greek players would.

Childish ones yes. Seems fine to me.

[ComnenusTheOne]

Childish ones yes. Seems fine to me.

Ur not Greek, u cant understand.

[es_bih]

Correct, in Byzantine times, Skopie was the seat of the tema Bulgaria indeed (while tema Macedonia was around Thrace).
But I personally don't see anything that could be found as "offensive" in the pic anyway...

Same here, it is fine with me.

[alien_t]

...Keep up the good work, SV, I am currently itching to play your Dark Ages campaign!

Yes, me to This mod is one of my favourites .

[SicilianVespers]

I loaded up SV 2.5 last night, and the provinces are named correctly. Skopia is in the Bulgarian Theme, as it was Historically.

You can see this on any map of the Byzantine themes:



The ancillary title Strategos of Makedonia was incorrectly placed, and has already been correctly for the next version.

The proper thing to do, would have been to report the incorrect ancillary in the bug thread.

[ComnenusTheOne]

I didnt even knew it was a bug actually, i thought it was deliberately made like this.

[SicilianVespers]

The Strategos of Makedonia title should actually be given from the Adrianople settlement. It will most likely be renamed to the Doux of Hadrianoupolis for early + in the next release, to keep it in line with basil II's reorganization.

Each era has its own ancillary file, so it is easy for things like this to be missed.

[NikeBG]

Btw, here is another map of the Byzantine themas which has a few differences though (thema Macedonia having access both to the White and Black Sea etc.)

[Clodius]

I am as Hellenophile as you can be - been there many times, love everything about it (OK maybe not the food) and think one of the great disasters of modern times is that the Greeks didn't beat the Turks in 1920 and re-found the Byzantine empire.

But in history 'Macedonia' has been applied to various geographical, ethnic and political entities.

The sensitivities of 21st century Greeks is simply not relevant to discussion of a game depicting the 11th century when Macedonia only existed as an administrative unit within the Byzantine state

And remember themes were generally named not after the ethnicity of the population but the origins of the troops used to garrison it - thus Thrakesion and Armeniakon being hundreds of miles from Thrace and Armenia.

[Hunnis]

they are many national problems here on the forum, but i think evreything in this history based game should be named after mediveal times, i can understand why Polish and Germans some times are bitting ech others asses on city names and regions becuse they mostly hade diffrent owners,

Then they are the Hungarian and Rumanian figths here about the same thing regions and city names,

As i have undertsnad it Macedonians have always been Greek pepole right? And it was motly Greek or latin names they used?

[Shadow_Imperator]

Yeah, the FYROM (Former Yugoslav Republic Of Macedonia) Maco and Greek issue is a hazy one at that... Many 'Modern' Maco's today are either direct decendants of Slavs or are of Greek origins but have been 'Slavizised'.. However, there are many Greek Macedonians that are from Macedonia (FYROM) that actually consider themselves Greek and have Greek surnames (I know this cause my neighbours are Greek Maco's). My friends speak both Slavic Macedonian and Koine Greek, however some of these 'Greek' Maco's can sometimes only speak either Slavic Macedonian or Koine Greek (Mostly the former).

Modern Greek Greeks consider FYROM's territoy as Greek (Bitola, Orhid and Skopje/Skopia are consided 'Greek' cities). However, most modern Macedonians consider themselves distinct and thus seperate from Greece. What cannon be debated though is Macedonia's 'Greek' heritage, even though most other Greeks considered them to be semi (barbarian). Ancient Macedonians saw themselves as Greeks, had Greek customs, had Greek names for their people and places, they had a version of Greek Cyrillic alphabet and generally considered themselves 'Hellenes'.

It is the last paragraph that causes such a polarization within the Greek community, and it is understandable as well, much like the reason why the Greeks have had suchn a hard time letting go of Constaninople, Cyprus, Ionia and Pontus. It is like something that I read some time ago, how someone considered/believed that around 60% of Modern Turks are probably of Greek decent, 'barstardized' Turks if I may use the expression.. I guess that same applied here with FYROM and modern Greece.

[DaVinci]

evreything in this history based game should be named after mediveal times

That's correct, and nothing else.

Thread closed, as this here is no political forum about actual culturual issues.