west roman cash flow

[legio_XX]

I started my west roman campaign and im makeing 14k first turn and im not sure if i should keep playing any word homie dog rio?

[margio]

Ave Legio_XX,
I am playing WRE too, but the economy management (negative income on almost all tows at start) it's a very hard task. Are you playing 434AD or 463AD Campaign? Mne is the first, and the start is completely different for this matter, even I have to understand better the mod rules, as suggested by Rio ...

[Riothamus]

I started my west roman campaign and im makeing 14k first turn and im not sure if i should keep playing any word homie dog rio?

Hey legio_XX
Level of difficulty?? But go for it dude!..the challenge is maintaining that after several turns. Am curious about this campaign 463AD. You should run into some very in your face challenges quickly. Let me know dog how the campaign goes...grin lol

Ave Legio_XX,
I am playing WRE too, but the economy management (negative income on almost all tows at start) it's a very hard task. Are you playing 434AD or 463AD Campaign? Mne is the first, and the start is completely different for this matter, even I have to understand better the mod rules, as suggested by Rio ...

Hey margio..the problem here are from the extended empire, new inner threats(Visigoths, Vandals, Franks and Huns and the new rulership, coming of age of Valentinian III Also depends on the level of difficulty lol I admit though its still a work in progress

[Jingles]

I thought the same about the income, but a few turns of recruiting later, I was in the negative . Careful with Ravenna, don't let it fall, As its the WRE main source of income at the start.

[Lord Agelmar]

Isnt the point to retool the economy so you can afford the forces necessary to rebuff invaders and build an infastructure? Keep going, just because the Western portion of the empire fell doesnt mean you need/have to!

[Riothamus]

Isnt the point to retool the economy so you can afford the forces necessary to rebuff invaders and build an infastructure? Keep going, just because the Western portion of the empire fell doesnt mean you need/have to!

:hmmm: not sure your point here Lord Agelmar..in relation. The situation I tried to portray is an economic system totally out of whack...what even more makes this difficult besides the many external things threatening the empire is that the game has to have a building up process to some degree... a fine line for sure but I'll will be open to suggestions to improve

I thought the same about the income, but a few turns of recruiting later, I was in the negative . Careful with Ravenna, don't let it fall, As its the WRE main source of income at the start.

Yes very deceiving...with the 463 campaign you have a much much better chance of correcting the economic situation faster, but the price is the wre is in a very desperate situation for its very survival. Any blunders at the start could be the end

[Lord Agelmar]

I meant the player being able to 'right the ship' by building up their economy to be able to win. Just because the player is making more than 10k a turn doesnt mean he is doing something wrong, it means (hopefully) he is getting things back on track. Like you said you need to build infrastructure, so once you have the money that is what the player should do to survive. Just because the Empire fell in real life doesnt mean a players should have to.

[Riothamus]

I meant the player being able to 'right the ship' by building up their economy to be able to win. Just because the player is making more than 10k a turn doesnt mean he is doing something wrong, it means (hopefully) he is getting things back on track. Like you said you need to build infrastructure, so once you have the money that is what the player should do to survive. Just because the Empire fell in real life doesnt mean a players should have to.

Yes this is the ideal....

[Imperator of Rome]

Yes this is the ideal....

The economy is totally out of whack lol,you never know when you might not have money to just maintain your soldiers.

[Riothamus]

The economy is totally out of whack lol,you never know when you might not have money to just maintain your soldiers.

Hi Imperator of rome,
Something to remember is your generals upkeep...governor's can be a tremendous drain. The games military expenditures are more to do with upkeep than initial costs...this I believe to be very much different, the opposite of the other IB mods and probably most mods. But I think knowing how to maintain an army..create an army from foederati quickly are essential things to understand to keep a stable economy.

[Imperator of Rome]

Hi Imperator of rome,
Something to remember is your generals upkeep...governor's can be a tremendous drain. The games military expenditures are more to do with upkeep than initial costs...this I believe to be very much different, the opposite of the other IB mods and probably most mods. But I think knowing how to maintain an army..create an army from foederati quickly are essential things to understand to keep a stable economy.

Learned that two failed campaigns later,it's essential to create foederati units in this mod for garrisons.

[Forsworn]

I've grown to appreciate foederati units for manning forts as well. They aren't that expensive to keep up and they can at least hold an invasion force before one of my armies comes along.

Also, 14k a turn is nice but you should be careful. I've had turns where multiple cities(that need over 10+ gold to upgrade) needed to be upgraded to the next level.

Lots of rebellions, lots of'em!

[Riothamus]

Lots of rebellions, lots of'em!

Forsworn, Is this from your regained territories? If so then its very normal especially if you were not careful and building up the econ and buildings that create happiness and loyalty

[Imperator of Rome]

Forsworn, Is this from your regained territories? If so then its very normal especially if you were not careful and building up the econ and buildings that create happiness and loyalty

I 've have got past the decline and Rome is back to normal.....ermm...basically trying to hold Gaul and Illyricum from these bloodthristy Eastern Romans and Franks.Bah,one time,the Franks attacked my whole border with Schola filled armies.

[Riothamus]

I 've have got past the decline and Rome is back to normal.....ermm...basically trying to hold Gaul and Illyricum from these bloodthristy Eastern Romans and Franks.Bah,one time,the Franks attacked my whole border with Schola filled armies.

:hmmm:would love to see what your and Forsworn current maps look like

[Imperator of Rome]

:hmmm:would love to see what your and Forsworn current maps look like

As I said;my economy goes out of whack because I have had as much as 100 thousand denars and now I have 2000.

Aetius retaking lost lands.
Valentian and commander of the Illyricum province retaking lost lands.

Old and new,Roma and Ravenna

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[Forsworn]

It's my owned territories. They tend to get very unhappy once upgrading comes along. They're usually very happy till that point.

It has taught me to always save extra cash every turn just in case upgrades are needed.

[Forsworn]

I'll try and get a screenshot of it. Though I hope it wasn't corrupted since I've updated the mod version and some of my other software/hardware. If it wasn't than that will be awesome.

PS: My Family Tree is breeding like rabbits! They're so expensive to please!

[Imperator of Rome]

I'am using the 4 turn script,and I had to let Spain go,but I do miss New Carthage.If my war with the Franks ever cool down,I will be able to launch an impressive invasion of Spain.

[Forsworn]

From my experience the Franks wont ever give up till you've crushed them or they take your Gualic Lands.