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    Default William Wallace

    Can't be, not tall enough....
    I heard that he emerges in this game. If this is true do you know what turn or year he does?

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    Default Re: William Wallace

    Yep

    He will come only if the english bastards captures Dún Éideann aka Edinburgh.

    Do not let them to siege that city

    Oh and just a note... I had William Wallace as an assassin He had great skills though!
    Last edited by Croaton; June 11, 2008 at 03:59 PM.
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    Default Re: William Wallace

    Seriously? William Wallace only emerges if the English have control of Edinburgh? Can somebody else confirm this...
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    Default Re: William Wallace

    Quote Originally Posted by Croaton View Post
    Yep

    He will come only if the english bastards captures Dún Éideann aka Edinburgh.

    Do not let them to siege that city

    Oh and just a note... I had William Wallace as an assassin He had great skills though!
    How familiar are you with with Scottish Gaelic?

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    Default Re: William Wallace

    The sad part is, most of the time the English provoke the William Wallace event and he doesn't even move out of Scottish territory to attack unless a human player decides to fight him. So it feels like a historically ahistorical experience as far as fighting for "FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!" goes.

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    Default Re: William Wallace

    Well... I did not tell the whole truth. It can be that after you loose Edinburgh, then Wallace comes... but only under these conditions:


    Code:
     
    ;-------------- WILLIAM WALLACE --------------; 1290
    
    declare_counter wallace_spawned
    monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType scotland
      and I_TurnNumber = [your turn number]
      
      set_counter wallace_spawned 1
      
      terminate_monitor
      
    end_monitor
    
    ;trigger Wallace when England attacks
    monitor_event GeneralCaptureSettlement I_TurnNumber > 90
      and FactionType england
      and TargetFactionType scotland
      
      set_counter wallace_spawned 1
      
      terminate_monitor
      
    end_monitor
    
    ;trigger Wallace when Scotland is weakened
    monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType scotland
      and I_TurnNumber > 70
      and I_NumberOfSettlements scotland < 2
      
      set_counter wallace_spawned 1
      
      terminate_monitor
      
    end_monitor
    
    monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType scotland
      and IsFactionAIControlled
      and I_CompareCounter wallace_spawned = 1
      spawn_army 
       faction scotland   
       character William Wallace, named character, age 20, x 53, y 250, direction SE, battle_model Wallace_General, portrait wallace
       traits ScotlandHero 1, GoodCommander 2, LoyaltyStarter 1, BattleChivalry 2, NaturalMilitarySkill 2, Loyal 2 , Just 2
       unit  Highland Nobles    exp 4 armour 0 weapon_lvl 1
       unit  Highland Nobles    exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 1
       unit  Highlanders     exp 3 armour 1 weapon_lvl 1
       unit  Highlanders     exp 3 armour 1 weapon_lvl 1
       unit  Highlanders     exp 3 armour 1 weapon_lvl 1
       unit  Highland Pikemen   exp 4 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
       unit  Highland Pikemen   exp 4 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
       unit  Highland Pikemen   exp 3 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
       unit  Highland Pikemen   exp 3 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
       unit  Highland Nobles    exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 1
       unit  Highland Nobles    exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 1
       unit  Noble Highland Archers    exp 1 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
       unit  Noble Highland Archers    exp 1 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
       unit  Noble Highland Archers    exp 1 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
       unit  Highland Rabble    exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
       unit  Highland Rabble    exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
       unit  Highland Rabble    exp 4 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
       unit  Highland Rabble    exp 4 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
       unit  Border Horse    exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
       unit  Border Horse    exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
      end
      
      historic_event scotland_wallace event/william_wallace.bik
      
      terminate_monitor
    end_monitor

    a)when england caputers a scottish town and its after turn 90
    b)when scotland has one settlement left and its after turn 70

    PS: I had been overtaken.
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    Default Re: William Wallace

    Late Era Campaign Script

    ;-------------- WILLIAM WALLACE --------------; 1290


    declare_counter wallace_spawned

    monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType scotland
    and I_TurnNumber = 55

    set_counter wallace_spawned 1

    terminate_monitor

    end_monitor

    ;trigger Wallace when England attacks
    monitor_event GeneralCaptureSettlement I_TurnNumber >= 1
    and FactionType england
    and TargetFactionType scotland

    set_counter wallace_spawned 1

    terminate_monitor

    end_monitor

    ;trigger Wallace when Scotland is weakened
    monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType scotland
    and I_TurnNumber >= 1
    and I_NumberOfSettlements scotland < 2

    set_counter wallace_spawned 1

    terminate_monitor

    end_monitor

    monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType scotland
    and IsFactionAIControlled
    and I_CompareCounter wallace_spawned = 1

    spawn_army
    faction scotland
    character William Wallace, named character, age 20, x 53, y 250, direction SE, battle_model Wallace_General, portrait wallace
    traits ScotlandHero 1, GoodCommander 2, LoyaltyStarter 1, BattleChivalry 2, NaturalMilitarySkill 2, Loyal 2 , Just 2
    unit Highland Nobles exp 4 armour 0 weapon_lvl 1
    unit Highland Nobles exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 1
    unit Highlanders exp 3 armour 1 weapon_lvl 1
    unit Highlanders exp 3 armour 1 weapon_lvl 1
    unit Highlanders exp 3 armour 1 weapon_lvl 1
    unit Highland Pikemen exp 4 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
    unit Highland Pikemen exp 4 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
    unit Highland Pikemen exp 3 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
    unit Highland Pikemen exp 3 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
    unit Highland Nobles exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 1
    unit Highland Nobles exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 1
    unit Noble Highland Archers exp 1 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
    unit Noble Highland Archers exp 1 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
    unit Noble Highland Archers exp 1 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
    unit Highland Rabble exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
    unit Highland Rabble exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
    unit Highland Rabble exp 4 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
    unit Highland Rabble exp 4 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
    unit Border Horse exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
    unit Border Horse exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
    end

    historic_event scotland_wallace event/william_wallace.bik

    terminate_monitor
    end_monitor


    So appear after turn 55 or England attacks Scotland or Scotland weakened by any faction. Early Era is similar.
    Last edited by war927; June 11, 2008 at 04:07 PM.

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    Default Re: William Wallace

    William Wallace too strong, AI England needs a countermeasure (not me though, killed his army over three battles.....only the final battle counts, lads!, but the Scots still took edinburgh back, so WW is a suitable challenge for the player.

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    Default Re: William Wallace

    im sure the exact same question was asked not that long ago =/
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    Default Re: William Wallace

    William Wallace only left scottish territory once, because he spawned near edinburgh. I had to take the fight to him in which he was crushed.

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    Default Re: William Wallace

    Is anyone familiar with Scottish Gaelic. I read on the Internet that there are now only 2k such native speakers. When the total reaches 11 even with an hundred pipers the English will be safe!

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    Default Re: William Wallace

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Geezer View Post
    Is anyone familiar with Scottish Gaelic.
    It's a very hard language. I can recommend a book for you if you are deeply interested. Will not post it here since that should be a commercial and I want to avoid a ban

    Send me a PM and I'll gladly to tell you the name & writer.


    @ topic. Here is our hero as the latest assassin He is not so skilled though... :hmmm:


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    Default Re: William Wallace

    If Wallace dies, however, it seems like Scotland is ready and eager to move his collection of highlanders well outside of their homelands.

    After I dumped a pot of boiling oil on Wallace's head as he retook Edinburgh, those leaderless units decided they'd best find a new home, and went off and conquered all of Scandinavia.

    One thing that definately needs addressing, however: The units in Wallace's stack have the + attack swords. Since these were removed (either for RC submod or the entire SS, I'm not sure) it causes huge imbalance when fighting against them.

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    Default Re: William Wallace

    maybe it was done on purpose to give Wallace's army a realistic lifespan in SS. I mean, a good player could wipe out any full stack of AI troops with half as many troops in the right situation. The plus sword bonus is better left on Wallace's troops so they don't die in a single battle.

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    Default Re: William Wallace

    I suppose that could be true, but I just figured it was more explainable as an oversight. Mongols don't get the + swords, not that many of their units need it.

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    Well if they are going to go so far as to program in an event where William Wallace appears and perhaps saves Scotland from certain doom, it's worth giving him a few advantages.

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    The + sword bonus?

    Never heard of it...

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    The weapon upgrade. The gold sword bonus on the unit card, the upgrade given from the Swordsmith's Guild in vanilla? It got replaced by an experience bonus in SS because it imbalanced combat.

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    Default Re: William Wallace

    Ah, that, ok, just a new word, great, now I feel stupid...

    thx

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    Haha don't, it was just the first two words that came to mind when I was trying to describe it.

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