Two types of Hastati?

[atraps]

I have modded the edu file so the Roman Hastati have 40 men (normal) in each unit and have 6 shield defense. But i was in a campaign when i came across 2 Hastati units one had 5 shield defense the other had 6 (the romans are controlled by the ai). How come there are 2 Hastati types?

[CaesarVincens]

The only thing I could think of is that if you started the campaign before making these changes, then the Hastati with five shield defense and more men were from before you made the changes.

[atraps]

no i started the campaign after i made the changes (to test out the units)

but i found that there are two entries of Hastati in the edu file

type             roman hastati
dictionary       roman_hastati      ; Hastati
category         infantry
class            light
voice_type       Light_1
soldier          roman_hastati, 40, 0, 1.5
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap
formation        1, 1.2, 2, 2.4, 4, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         12, 2, pilum, 35, 2, thrown, blade, piercing, spear, 25 ,1
stat_pri_attr    prec, thrown ap
stat_sec         6, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  5, 3, 6, leather
stat_sec_armour  0, 1, flesh
stat_heat        2
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      10, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 40
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 880, 340, 110, 50, 880
ownership        romans_julii, romans_scipii, slave 

type             allied hastati
dictionary       allied_hastati      ; Hastati
category         infantry
class            light
voice_type       Light_1
soldier          roman_hastati, 50, 0, 1.5
officer          roman_early_centurion
officer          roman_early_standard
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap, no custom
formation        1, 1.66, 2, 3.33, 5, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         11, 2, pilum, 35, 2, thrown, blade, piercing, spear, 25 ,0.9
stat_pri_attr    prec, thrown ap
stat_sec         7, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 25 ,0.9
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  5, 6, 5, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 1, flesh
stat_heat        3
stat_ground      2, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      10, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 35
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 600, 300, 45, 90, 600
ownership        romans_julii 

What is the second entry for?

I also found there there are two entries not only for Hastati but for Principles and Triarii also

[DimeBagHo]

There are a bunch of "duplicate" units in EDU that serve special purposes. The ones with internal names like "allied hastati" are are special versions with zero upkeep that are used to bolster the forces of AI factions at the start of the campaign, without killing their economies with upkeep costs.

[atraps]

oh i see, Thx for explaining Dime

but now that raises more questions.

Wat triggers these units to be given to the ai?

Do these come from the capitol of the faction like the other bonuses?


p.s. now i realize this topic shouldnt be in the bug sectionsorry

[DimeBagHo]

The units are spawned by a script at the start of the campaign. They can't be retrained, recruited, or used in custom battles.

[Spartan198]

I was wondering why the allied hastati, principes, and Triarii were no different than the Roman versions.

[DimeBagHo]

There are a bunch of "duplicate" units in EDU that serve special purposes. The ones with internal names like "allied hastati" are are special versions with zero upkeep that are used to bolster the forces of AI factions at the start of the campaign, without killing their economies with upkeep costs.

[Unknown Soldier]

er...define allied please?

[Scutarii]

AOR I suppose? But theres no AOR principes, just "Italic Infantry" modeled after Hastati.

[Scutarii]

Ah. I should've seen that.