Elven Riders (sorry for the new thread...)

[Glorfindel]

this is a comparison between elves and the other warriors (human/orcs) in the art of riding a horse and war on it....

firstly, i shall explain why the elves had better mounts than Rohan

Then Glorfindel called out, "Noro lim, noro lim, Asfaloth!" and the horse ran swiftly down the Road, outpacing the steeds of the Nazgul. Asfaloth passed right in front of one of the Nazgul and then plunged into the waters of the Bruinen, carrying Frodo across the Ford to the edge of Rivendell.

and because the Nazgul horses were originally Rohirim ones, we can easily assume that elven horses (that as i said a million times had "valinorean horse-blood" in them) were superior in speed

Tokien in his LOTR books states that even the relation of an Elven Rider with his steed could not be compared to any other Rider-Horse relation
because the Elf spoke and the elf-horse(as Tolkien says) understood

Plus: there is no doubt that elves (and especially Noldorin ones that had the cavalry that i try to bring in the game) are more skilled warriors than Rohirim (the "horse-lords") and the Noldor that have the duty of fighting from horseback train a lot more with the steed because they are immortal and don't age as Humans do

maybe they are a few Elven Riders but i have proof that they exist (if you want, ask me to bring you again this proof) and are better than any other

[DeZzErX]

I'll just copy paste what I said in the other thread as I have to go soon but I'll add that I agree with Glorfindel about the Elves have strong cavalry though I'm not sure wether I fully agree that elves should have superiour cavalry on every aspect of horse warfare. This is what I said in the other thread that I'll just paste here:

Good points. Would you perhaps agree if I say that for instance the way they used their cavalry in war would be different. I.e the Rohirrim could have a more powerfull charge as that seems the way they use their cavalry, charging powerfully in too the enemy. While the elves have faster more manouverable horses that can easily circle around the enemy and hit them hard in the back like the hammer and anvil tactic?

[Glorfindel]

i will post my answer too

unfortunately i don't know about their tactics-tolkien rarely mantions the style of Elven Warfare ( generally)

you might be right though

i have opened a new thread about this discussion, you can post about elven riders there

we can assume that they used their horses differently...

[Varjon]

But let's assume that we have 60 noldor elf on horseback of "elven horses" and 60 rohirrim on horseback of rohirrim horses. Who you think that wins battle if they charge against each other? Elves would win.

[DeZzErX]

Perhaps, we can not say such things with certainty. I would say that on the initial charge more Elves would die but during the prolonged melee after the charge the favour would turn in the favor of the elves.

[Glorfindel]

DeZzErX you are influenced by the awesome charges of the movies...that's why you keep saying that Rohirim were better chargers


well i think this:

-elven rider better than rohirim rider (noldor are the best fighters in Middle Earth and i think if we exclude maiar(and valar), they are the best in Arda) and have unlimited amount of time to train with the horse

-elven horse better than rohirim horse (i explained why)

so 1 common Noldorin Rider((i there are common noldor)) is a lot better than 1 common Rohirim Rider

[Iustinianos]

Elves should have cavalry, quite good cavalry. They invented the art of warfare on horseback. They rode the mighty descendants of the Valinorean horses. The Noldor's cavalry in the First Age was legendary. At the time of the War of the Ring they should be able to recruit some cavarly-units, but never as much as the Rohirrm since the Elves where a diying race that was leaving Middle-Earth. Their cavarly should not be as significant as their cavarly from the First Age. For thousands of years the Elves did not commence in great battles with cavalry. In fact I can't recall them using any cavalry force since the battles of Beleriand. Thousands of years of no experience in horse-back warfare should make their cavalry much less significant then they where and especially compared to the Rohirrim who's main occupation is warfare on their horses which they practisice daily. And let us not forget that the horses of the Rohirrim where descendants of Felarof, a Mearas, the horses who where brought to Middle-Earth by Orome himself.

The Noldorian cavalry still had excellent cavalry no doubt, but if it would face the Rohirrim they would lose. As for Asfaloth, yes he is no doubt a great horse. Better then any of the Rohirrim, but who says that all the Elvish horses are as good as him? Another reason why the Elves should have a small cavalry is a geographical reason: that they had no place to herd them, no great plains like the Rohirrim had.

''The breeding and riding of horses were arts developed to their greatest height by the Rohirrim in the Third Age.''
-From the Encyclopedia of Arda.

[Kaas]

Elves cavalry = extremely high Quality, mediocre/low Quantity

Rohirrim = high Quantity, high Quality

[The Big Red 1]

Agreed

[Glorfindel]

yes, i agree too!

i mean with the

Elves cavalry = extremely high Quality, mediocre/low Quantity

Rohirrim = high Quantity, high Quality

plus, rohirim took the art of mounted combat to another level because there had more variety, but elves have 1 or 2 types of cav. units with small amount of soldiers but extremely powerful


and in fact noldor are the best fighters of the whole Arda except Maiar and Valar

[The Big Red 1]

Like Chivalric knights charging into a horde of Muslim Levies. Carnage...

[Basil 11]

yes, i agree too!

i mean with the plus, rohirim took the art of mounted combat to another level because there had more variety, but elves have 1 or 2 types of cav. units with small amount of soldiers but extremely powerful


and in fact noldor are the best fighters of the whole Arda except Maiar and Valar

I agree too!

[Varjon]

Am I with Glorfindel only ones who want best cavalry unit in game to be for noldor? IT'S JUST SO SIMPLE!!! Noldor and their horses are just better. No man can ever reach same level as noldor elves. If you don't count couple men in First Age but in Third Age no man couldn't match with noldor elves, not kings of Gondor or Arnor and certainly not any men of rohirrim.

Actually I think that noldor archers, spearmen and swordsmen should be best units of their kind in whole game. The idea is that High Elves is extremely expensive and difficult to get these units.

[The Big Red 1]

That's what I've been trying to tell ppl who think they're unbalanced.

[ray243]

Am I with Glorfindel only ones who want best cavalry unit in game to be for noldor? IT'S JUST SO SIMPLE!!! Noldor and their horses are just better. No man can ever reach same level as noldor elves. If you don't count couple men in First Age but in Third Age no man couldn't match with noldor elves, not kings of Gondor or Arnor and certainly not any men of rohirrim.

Actually I think that noldor archers, spearmen and swordsmen should be best units of their kind in whole game. The idea is that High Elves is extremely expensive and difficult to get these units.

Well, we can always downsize the amount of troops in one unit.

Make it like 30 at the most for one unit, while the rohirrim can get top-tier cavalry units with 100-120 men in one unit.


In a one to one fight using cavalry, the rohirrim should be able to defeat the elves simply because they have a larger amount of troops.

[Glorfindel]

elves will have the same amount of soldiers in a unit as humans Code_Knight said

it will just be (extremely) difficult to bring a large amount of them in battle (very high cost, not many available units at a time to recruit, 2 turns time recruitment)

[Mithrandir]

it will just be (extremely) difficult to bring a large amount of them in battle (very high cost, not many available units at a time to recruit, 2 turns time recruitment)

No way. Many turns between available units is way better.

[Glorfindel]

that's what i said

turns to recruit and many turns between new available units

or you meant something else?

[Varjon]

Ten strongest races in Middle Earth:

first = valar
second = maiar
third = vanyar
fourth = noldor
fifth = dwarves
sixth = teleri
seventh = sindar
eighth = dúnedain
nineth = nandor
tenth = avari

[Glorfindel]

i think noldor are stronger than vanyar

they have definitely better armour and more skill in combat and vanyar don't war at all (only one time in the war of wrath)