Roman eagle question

[The_Killian]

How do you know its in your unit and is there a way to get it back once you've lost it?

Thanks

[-Aquila-]

the first legion cohort has the eagle (campaign map it shows up on the top left of their unit card, and in battle map there is a guy holding the eagle).

And im not sure how you get it back, I took the settlement it said they took my lost eagle to, but nothing happened.

[Brusilov]

I think the unit description will have 'eagle inspires nearby troops'.

Although I've never personally lost and Eagle I've acquired a few in my time. There is usually a message after the battle that contains the name of the settlement that the Eagle has been taken to along with a warning that the Romans will do their upmost to retrieve it.

I would presume that a similar message will be given to the Romans.

The way to get the Eagle back is to take the settlement where the Eagle has been taken.

I know there are various traits for generals that have lost Eagles but also ones that are gained when the Eagle is regained.

The following are the traits in the export_desc_character_traits.txt file;

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Trait LostEagle
    Characters family
    ExcludeCultures barbarian, greek, eastern, egyptian, carthaginian

    Level Disgraced
        Description Disgraced_desc
        EffectsDescription Disgraced_effects_desc
        Threshold  1 

        Effect Influence -4 
        Effect Unrest 2

    Level Utterly_Disgraced
        Description Utterly_Disgraced_desc
        EffectsDescription Utterly_Disgraced_effects_desc
        Epithet Utterly_Disgraced_epithet_desc
        Threshold  2 

        Effect Influence -8 
        Effect Unrest 4

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Trait RegainedEagle
    Characters family
    ExcludeCultures barbarian, greek, eastern, egyptian, carthaginian

    Level Partly_Redeemed
        Description Partly_Redeemed_desc
        EffectsDescription Partly_Redeemed_effects_desc
        Threshold  1 

        Effect Influence  2 
        Effect Unrest -1 

    Level Mostly_Redeemed
        Description Mostly_Redeemed_desc
        EffectsDescription Mostly_Redeemed_effects_desc
        Epithet Mostly_Redeemed_epithet_desc
        Threshold  2 

        Effect Influence  4 
        Effect Unrest -2 

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Trait CapturedEagle
    Characters family

    Level Eagle_Taker
        Description Eagle_Taker_desc
        EffectsDescription Eagle_Taker_effects_desc
        Threshold  1 

        Effect Command  1 

    Level Two_Eagles
        Description Two_Eagles_desc
        EffectsDescription Two_Eagles_effects_desc
        Threshold  2 

        Effect Command  2 

    Level Eagle_Collector
        Description Eagle_Collector_desc
        EffectsDescription Eagle_Collector_effects_desc
        Epithet Eagle_Collector_epithet_desc
        Threshold  3 

        Effect Command  3

Edited: The following are the traits explained (from export_VnVs.txt file in the text sub-folder) (I was intrigued by 'utterly disgraced' - it sounds fairly careless);

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{Disgraced}	Disgraced

{Disgraced_desc}
The disgrace of losing an Eagle standard is something this man will never shake off.

{Disgraced_effects_desc}
-4 Influence, +2 to unrest (has a negative effect on public order)

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{Utterly_Disgraced}	Utterly Disgraced

{Utterly_Disgraced_desc}
To lose one Eagle might be unlucky. To lose two looks like incompetence.

{Utterly_Disgraced_epithet_desc}	Infortunatus

{Utterly_Disgraced_effects_desc}
-8 Influence, +4 to unrest (has a negative effect on public order)

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{Partly_Redeemed}	Partly Redeemed

{Partly_Redeemed_desc}
Regaining a lost Eagle goes some way to removing the stain on Rome. Even so it is not forgotten.

{Partly_Redeemed_effects_desc}
+2 Influence, -1 from unrest (improves public order)

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{Mostly_Redeemed}	Mostly Redeemed

{Mostly_Redeemed_desc}
Regaining two Eagles goes a long way to restoring the reputation of Rome, but the people are not quick to forgive.

{Mostly_Redeemed_epithet_desc}	Signifer

{Mostly_Redeemed_effects_desc}
+4 Influence, -2 from unrest (improves public order)

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{Eagle_Taker}	Eagle Taker

{Eagle_Taker_desc}
Taking a Roman Eagle standard in battle is a great achievement. 

{Eagle_Taker_effects_desc}
+1 Command

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{Two_Eagles}	Two Eagles

{Two_Eagles_desc}
Taking two Eagles in battle makes this man a true hero.

{Two_Eagles_effects_desc}
+2 Command

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{Eagle_Collector}	Eagle Collector

{Eagle_Collector_desc}
Taking more than two Eagles makes this man a Legend.

{Eagle_Collector_epithet_desc}	of the Eagles

{Eagle_Collector_effects_desc}
+3 Command

@spartan_johnny - how long did it take you to regain the Eagle?

[-Aquila-]

well it took about 4-5 turns.
As you say it affects traits it could be just simply I didn't notice a new trait.

[Captain Jin]

You know I've had armies comprised of no legionaries that have a first Cohort or an eagle. In some cases it's been a mostly mercenary army with a few hastati and Principe thrown in. Then I've auto-resolved battles and lost because of the ridiculous way auto-resolve works, and I get the lost eagle message. This is makes me very angry seeing as how I had no legionary Eagle in the battle which was made up of predominanitely Gallic spearman mercenaries or such. This happens often with my armies that have no Eagle, makes me mad.

[rory o'kane]

i think if a Roman unit has the "eagle" above it, i.e. it's inspiring to other units, (even if it doesn't show), and the army it's in is wiped out (along with it), then maybe possibly the game thinks this is a proper eagle? i don't know, really...

[Confederate Jeb]

Before Rome gets the reforms, you can get an eagle by kiling their armies, even though they have hastati, principies, and triarii. They don't have eagles, but somehow you can capture them.

[Squid]

Other units aside from the first cohorts of imperial legions have the command attribute, and rtw will likely consider these "eagle" if a unit with the command attribute is killed in battle.

[rory o'kane]

that's what i was trying to say! thanks Squid!

[GreatOne]

If some barbarians for example have command will you be getting 'lost eagle' messages?Because if advisor is turned on you get 'first cohort' message even if you are playing as greeks for example

[Squid]

Yes. As previously stated rtw considers any unit with the command attribute to have an eagle.

[GreatOne]

Maybe that message can be renamed, so we can have these events as greeks, barbarians, and others....

[Paidonomos]

Squid explained the technical side of things, but from a historical perspective even pre-Caesarian legions had eagles. Marius started the idea of a legion carrying an eagle as its symbol. Prior to him the legions carried a variety of animal standards, the eagle being just one of many. So I guess the Polybian legion could technically lose an eagle in battle. An entirely merc army should not lose an eagle in battle, but even one cohort of Romans could be interpreted by the computer as having an eagle.

[The_Killian]

I think it increases the unit size as well.Anyway thanks for the help guys.

[GreatOne]

So what do you think?Is it possible to rename 'lost eagle' event to something else for non-Roman factions?

[Squid]

No, there's only one event text for each event.