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    My choice is Scipio Africanus. This may seem like an unusual choice only because he gets no publicity and is virtually unknown compared to other choices such as Napoleon, Julius Caesar, Alexander, Robert E. Lee, Wellington etc.

    Scipio had no glaring flaws - made no disasterous moves - was never defeated.

    When Scipio came to command Rome was on it's knees trying to hold off Hannibal. He took over soldiers who were demoralised and had already been defeated by Carthaginian armies - he was not taking over a strong force. The reason I choose Scipio is because I believe he had the best combination of leadership, overall strategy and individual battle tactics.

    His leadership is evident in restoring his armies' morale and discipline in both Spain and Sicily (most great commanders would have this talent) but also in giving his subordinates and allies credit when due (he maintained strong loyalty and unity by doing this) - he didn't feel he needed all the glory for himself.

    His overall strategy was most impressive - his army in Spain beat 3 larger Carthaginian armies in 3 years (armies which had beaten previous Roman armies). He managed again and again to steal Hannibals allies from him - first in Spain and then the Numidians - this move was the major factor in defeating Hannibal at the battle of Zama. Scipio forced Hannibal to react to his moves instead of the opposite. He fought Hannibal on his terms.

    For evidence of Scipios battle tactics look at the misdirection used during the taking of seemingly Cartegena's impregnable town, the battle of Baecula or his neutralising Hannibal's elephants at Zamaand defeating another larger army.

    Scipio's greatest trait was the abilty to adapt to the situation he was in - adopting many of Hannibal's strategy's in going to Spain and then Carthage much as Hannibal went to Italy - recognising the Numidian cavalry were the key and forging an alliance.

    Scipio didn't learn from his mistakes - he learned from the mistakes of others.

    Unlike most other great leaders Scipio faced enemies who were the equal or superior of his own men and a legendary general to command them and HE WON.

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    Hannibal's the greatest

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    It hard to say who is the greatest general ever, because they're all from different periods of history and all have achieved fantastic reputations to be remembered in history.

    I dunno who to pick this is a hard one lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davide.cool View Post
    Hannibal's the greatest
    Complitly Agreed.but Gengis Khan either.

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    That's a very good justification for Scipio. Personally, I don't have a greatest general, just a list of a few of my favourite great generals. Cos in my opinion, each general had different ways of fighting, different qualitles and weaknesses, that somehow all made them great commanders, but in different ways. That's why I don't have a specific leader that look up to.

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    Napoleon Bonaparte

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    Second place goes to....Thomas Jackson.
    Third to....Erwin Rommel.

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    I will never understand why so many people think Rommel was among the best generals.
    What did he do such exceptional ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belisaire_ View Post
    I will never understand why so many people think Rommel was among the best generals.
    What did he do such exceptional ?
    You've got to be kiddin'...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quink.NL View Post
    You've got to be kiddin'...
    Why?

    Guderian and Manstein were both better generals than Rommel, yet for some reason people always point to Rommel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaquil View Post
    Guderian and Manstein were both better generals than Rommel, yet for some reason people always point to Rommel.
    It's not about who's the better general. It's stupid to compare to start with, because there's no way in measuring who's the best.

    I just asked myself how somebody can say 'Rommel did nothing special'...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaquil View Post
    Why?

    Guderian and Manstein were both better generals than Rommel, yet for some reason people always point to Rommel.
    OH MYYYY GOOOD!!! this is blasphemy I swear...Dude, do you even know what a genius Rommel was? Have you maybe ever read a book about him? NO! cos if you did, you'd never ask something like this...Rommel was the best DECISION maker ever...Many risks, many wins...Experienced and a very innovative military mind, ROmmel was...If it weren't for him, the allies would've ended the war 4 years before...But he was raging through France at lightspeed, just as in Africa...Did you know that when english battalions would be massacred by him, once they go back to base, they'd say _sorry guys, we bumped into Rommel_ What does that tell you? They feared him, and you could only beat him by number or air superiority (the reason he lost in africa)....Rommel was a genius, mind you...Manstein and Guderian better than Rommel? Dude, I'm serious, that IS blasphemy...


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    Julius Caesar hands down.....
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    Suvorov.

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    And how exactly do you determine who was the greatest? What objective criteria exist? Ooops... none... :hmmm:
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    Quote Originally Posted by gaius valerius View Post
    And how exactly do you determine who was the greatest? What objective criteria exist? Ooops... none... :hmmm:
    The greatness of a general can be objectively determined from the amount of text Spartan JKM devotes to him.

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    Question is too wide and not precise! You don't have a BEST GENERAL EVER...You had Genghis khan, Rommel, Subutai, Caesar, Zhukov, Napoleon, Hannibal, Alexander, Tamerlane...They were all freakin awesome!


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    Yeah this is ridiculously hard, I can't narrow it down to just one for all time. What about top 30, or top 5 per age?
    Look back over the past, with its changing empires that rose and fell, and you can foresee the future, too.

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    Default Re: Greatest General Ever?

    how about the greatest general every century from 3rd century BC to the 20th century AD?

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    Wow, that'd be a rather long list, and a lot of debating. Some centuries had a multitude of brilliant military minds, while others were a bit lacking.
    Look back over the past, with its changing empires that rose and fell, and you can foresee the future, too.

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    Maybe it's probably best to pick our favourites and give reasoning to why we think they're the greatest?

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