Why Israel was not be created in German Lands?

[white-wolf]

Why Israel was not be created in German Lands?

You know who genocized the jews are the Nazis. 6 million people! Arabs did not kill them (6 million). Then why Arab lands were given to a Jewish state? It was proper to give some lands from Germany to a Jewish state.

note : please note I am not a Arab and I support that Jews' having a state.

Discuss on....

[removeduser_487563287433]

Mostly because there was never an actively organised international effort to create a Jewish state after World War II.

[Dr. Croccer]

Because

1) No real reason
2) There were very little Jews there to start with.
3) Palestine was the Jewish homeland.

[Last Roman]

why create a state inside the country that just spent the last 6 years trying to exterminate you?

[Georgy Zhukov]

why create a state inside the country that just spent the last 6 years trying to exterminate you?

Yea I doubt that Central Europe will ever hold a large enough Jewish population to compare to those in 1935.

[Senno]

The partitioning was done by the UN in their 1947 Resolution 181.

That constituted the "international community" at that moment in time.

Germany was of course hostile to the Jewish people as they had just demonstrated by virtually exterminating them in Europe over a relatively short period of time.

[TWoxy]

Why Israel was not be created in German Lands?

You know who genocized the jews are the Nazis. 6 million people! Arabs did not kill them (6 million). Then why Arab lands were given to a Jewish state? It was proper to give some lands from Germany to a Jewish state.

note : please note I am not a Arab and I support that Jews' having a state.

Discuss on....

Why not? Because the surrounding nation would be ever so hospitable to a race they had spent several years trying to exterminate...

Also, wasn't the loss of the land to France following the end of World War One one of the causes of German resentment that led to the rise of National Socialism, and Hitler?

[white-wolf]

Why not? Because the surrounding nation would be ever so hospitable to a race they had spent several years trying to exterminate...

Also, wasn't the loss of the land to France following the end of World War One one of the causes of German resentment that led to the rise of National Socialism, and Hitler?

And what happened to the Arabs?.... Were there no additional wars, killings, bloodshed, opression?

I am asking why punishing Arabs instead of Germans (please note I am not againts to Jews, Arabs and Germans).

[Senno]

And what happened to the Arabs?.... Were there no additional wars, killings, bloodshed, opression?

I am asking why punishing Arabs instead of Germans (please note I am not againts to Jews, Arabs and Germans).

That 20/20 "perfect hindsight" didn't exist in 1947. No one can foretell the future with such a degree of perfection.

Jewish people needed a place to be, and that's where they wanted to be. The British had lended governmental legitimacy to the process of re-immigration in 1917 with the Balfour Declaration. So that's where they were allowed to go after WW2.

[white-wolf]

That 20/20 "perfect hindsight" didn't exist in 1947. No one can foretell the future with such a degree of perfection.

Jewish people needed a place to be, and that's where they wanted to be. The British had lended governmental legitimacy to the process of re-immigration in 1917 with the Balfour Declaration. So that's where they were allowed to go after WW2.

It can be easily seen that planting a state (in this case Jewish) in Arab lands (yes Arab lands, please do not tell me it was Jewish lands 2000 years ago) was going to cause problems. However, I think, nobody could not see that Israeilis will copy Nazis on some matters. (no pun intended my Israeli friends)

So while Germans pay Nazis crimes with money, Arabs pay it with lifes, land and blood.

Where is justice there?

[Senno]

It can be easily seen that planting a state (in this case Jewish) in Arab lands (yes Arab lands, please do not tell me it was Jewish lands 2000 years ago) was going to cause problems. However, I think, nobody could not see that Israeilis will copy Nazis on some matters. (no pun intended my Israeli friends)

So while Germans pay Nazis crimes with money, Arabs pay it with lifes, land and blood.

Where is justice there?

How about stop living in the past and look forward? Stop killing each other and wasting youth of both peoples?

There was a 2 party system proposed, and the Arabs refused. Jewish people were still in Palastine in 1917, they just werent the majority at that time.

The Israelis exist in a perpetual state of siege. How can you expect them to let potential enemies walk freely amongst them? No civilization does that in time of war. And that's what the Arabs believe themselves to be fighting, right? War.

Stop the killing and you might find a degree of justice.

[Syron]

Why Israel was not be created in German Lands?

Because the creation of Israel was due to conflict between the Jews and Arabs and the imminent invasion from the Arab armies. It had nothing to do with WW2. The reason why so many Jews had fled to there before WW2 was because it wasn't just persecution from Germans they were facing.

If you want to complain why not complain about the Jews that had to leave Eastern Palestine when Britain created Jordan.......?

You know who genocized the jews are the Nazis. 6 million people! Arabs did not kill them (6 million). Then why Arab lands were given to a Jewish state? It was proper to give some lands from Germany to a Jewish state.

Britain was reluctant to give land to anyone, let alone the Jews. Most land given to Israel when Britain left was government land and not "Arab land" anyway.

[H.r.E.]

[...]So while Germans pay Nazis crimes with money[...][/quote]

how do you mean that?

[Holger Danske]

And what happened to the Arabs?.... Were there no additional wars, killings, bloodshed, opression?

I am asking why punishing Arabs instead of Germans (please note I am not againts to Jews, Arabs and Germans).

Utterly dumb logics at work here

[white-wolf]

Utterly dumb logics at work here

Please explain O mighty Holger Danske, why it is dumb logic? What is your thoughts about OP?

[MaximiIian]

I am asking why punishing Arabs instead of Germans.

At the time, it wasn't even close to being seen as "punishing" the Arabs, because that territory wasn't exactly seen as "Arab" land. It was British land, administered as a League of Nations Mandate. The British had already promised to make a Jewish homeland there, as the Zionist activists wanted only Palestine, and would accept no where else.

And, at the time, the UN had planned to partition the Mandate of Palestine into an Arab State and a Jewish State, so it wasn't "punishing" the Arabs, so much as actually giving them a home of their own, outside the numerous Arab states that already existed. The subsequent plan between Israel and the Kingdom of Jordan was then to have the Arab Palestinian State annexed by Jordan; a plan which fell through when Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon invaded Israel in 1948, forcing Israel to annex the Arab-designated land, which then caused Jordan to declare war.
Thus came the first Arab-Israeli War.

[Pontifex Maximus]

1. Why would Jews want to live next to the people that killed them?

2. Palestine is the Jews' 'ancestral homeland' though that is no reason to give them land at all.

And what happened to the Arabs?.... Were there no additional wars, killings, bloodshed, opression?

There's absolutely no justification. The Allies had no right to do it, we did it because we could.

[Icefrisco]

They could have made a state in Germany but the Jews noticed something:

1) The Europeans have potential to exterminate all the Jews
2) The Arabs only have the potential to forcibly remove all the Jews

They rightfully chose the 2nd option.

[Dromikaites]

They could have made a state in Germany but the Jews noticed something:

1) The Europeans have potential to exterminate all the Jews
2) The Arabs only have the potential to forcibly remove all the Jews

They rightfully chose the 2nd option.

Yeah, most likely something along those lines.

In case the crap would ever hit the fan again, it's better to have to deal with the weaker enemy. The Muslim-inhabited countries started to be backward in the 16th century. It was a safe bet it would take them a lot of decades before they catch up with the European-educated Jews.

[jermagon]

They could have made a state in Germany but the Jews noticed something:

1) The Europeans have potential to exterminate all the Jews
2) The Arabs only have the potential to forcibly remove all the Jews

They rightfully chose the 2nd option.

you forgot that the Jews lived within the Arab world for centuries,Medieval jews preferred to live in the Muslim world,while in Europe they were unwelcomed at all,and many Catholic kings like the lion heart of England commited genocides against the jews,and Spain exiled all the jews after the fall of Grenada, note that many Iberian jews prefered to live under the Muslim rule of grenada than Castille.
the relation between the Muslims and the jews improved when the ottomans attacked the spanish docks in the mid 16th century,the sultan himself allowed the Iberian Jews to live within the ottoman Caliphate.
and you know what frisco many Europeans called the Muslims Sabbatero (Jews) for making that move
English traveller Joseph pitts ''described the Muslims as Sabbatero, and keep showing the similarities between Judaism and Islam,and let me tell you something during the siege of Baghdad 1258 only the Muslims,and Jews defended the city against the Mongols,while the christians and the Shiite welcomed the invasion.
so the idea of Islam hates the jews is just a propaganda
it's all began with rise of Zionism and the jewish migration to Palestine,before that date,the jews was parts of the Middle east fabric,my Grand father told me that he used to have jewish friends in his youth.and as an Egyptian I dare to say that no one forced the Jewish Egyptians to leave Egypt,they started to migrate to Israel before and during WW2.
I guess guys like you will always have an ''Islamo-Phobia'' and keep blaming Islam for everything happens.
Muslims killed Jews,Muslim hates christians,Muslim want to invade spain and portugal,Muslims wanna take over Mars and pluto (though it's very cold)