Kyoujin's Spartans [release .99]

**Kyoujin** · February 11, 2005, 04:32 AM

Included are two models, a skin for each, gloss, the best Spartan unit cards out there and a comprehensive readme.

Thanks go to Andriyko for the model, Kanaric for the unit cards and Meretrix for the skin I built these upon.

This is the final release unless my PS skills take a drastic step for the better. I'd like to do some more work on the horizontal plume but there just isn't anything I can do at the moment.

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**Kyoujin** · February 11, 2005, 04:35 AM

And for those who missed the creation thread, here's what they look like.

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**infierno** · February 11, 2005, 04:43 AM

very good job, are not accuarate historically but i highly prefer em to the 200 bc skins

**AlCord** · February 11, 2005, 06:09 AM

Nice, now I use them instead of ATG's spartans without the lambda (sorry ATG

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**j4k3** · February 11, 2005, 06:36 AM

impressive!

**~~sabaku_no_gaara~~** · February 12, 2005, 11:27 PM

beautifull

**eiffryn** · February 13, 2005, 08:22 AM

They do look like the best out there, though I'd better mention that the comp. readme and unit cards don't seem to be with the zip, any chance of uploading them on this thread, thanks for the good work.

**~~sabaku_no_gaara~~** · February 13, 2005, 08:52 AM

they are.

god i love these bad boys and those unit cards

here they are in normal formation

here they are in action

**-=Hadès=-** · August 03, 2005, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by sabaku_no_gaara

they are.

god i love these bad boys and those unit cards

here they are in normal formation

here they are in action

have you a link of the original image of the spartan warrior please (unit cart) ??

I know the site but I dont' find his link

thanks

**Iberus_generalis** · September 11, 2006, 09:53 AM

where is the link men?

**dvk901** · September 12, 2006, 12:05 PM

Historically speaking, the 'overhand' shown here is 'half-correct'. The Spartan phalanx went into battle with the front rows holding the spear at the hip, while the back rows held theirs overhand. By and large, I think it would be more historical to have them held at the hip, since the front was the most important aspect of the 'phalanx thrust'. Those in the back rows could also throw their spears, but the resources I've seen mention that those in the back were often 'injured or killed' by the point on the other end of the spears from the front rows being pushed back into them.
When you think of it, this makes logical sense, since a hip-held spear would result in a much stronger hold/grip on the weapon..possibly even with both hands, or at least one to guide and steady/position it. A overhead hold would be weak, impossible to guide well, and could easily be knocked aside by an opponent, some's helmet, etc.

**Locky** · September 13, 2006, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by dvk901

Historically speaking, the 'overhand' shown here is 'half-correct'. The Spartan phalanx went into battle with the front rows holding the spear at the hip, while the back rows held theirs overhand. By and large, I think it would be more historical to have them held at the hip, since the front was the most important aspect of the 'phalanx thrust'. Those in the back rows could also throw their spears, but the resources I've seen mention that those in the back were often 'injured or killed' by the point on the other end of the spears from the front rows being pushed back into them.
When you think of it, this makes logical sense, since a hip-held spear would result in a much stronger hold/grip on the weapon..possibly even with both hands, or at least one to guide and steady/position it. A overhead hold would be weak, impossible to guide well, and could easily be knocked aside by an opponent, some's helmet, etc.

Sparta was also the first Greek city, to adapt to the macedonian phalanx. They used shorter versions of the sarissa. The old Greek phalanx, first two ranks held thier xystons out horizontally, the rear ranks held them overhand, in anticipation. As Sparta, was the only Greek city, that could perform a charge with a phalanx, and maintain formation, they would often crush the enemies phalanx, and break through. The front two ranks spears would often break, and they would switch to swords, their comrades behind them, held thier spears overhand, so they could jab out at the enemy behind thier allies. Problem is, Spartans had a aspis shield, which left only one hand free for the xyston. Also, thier interlocked shields, could be used to guide the thrust of the spear.

**The White Knight** · February 13, 2005, 11:31 AM

Hey! They look great. :happy

Did you actually add a new animation to the unit? They are holding the spear different now as far as I can see in sabaku's last picture.

**BassV2** · February 13, 2005, 12:12 PM

they look great but it looks like their shield is made of cloth :blink is it supposed to be like that?

**~~sabaku_no_gaara~~** · February 13, 2005, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by The_White_Knight@Feb 13 2005, 06:31 PM
Hey! They look great. :happy

Did you actually add a new animation to the unit? They are holding the spear different now as far as I can see in sabaku's last picture.

no i changed it to make them overhand there i sa thread that says what to do when you want to change that, it makes em weak against other phalanxes tough

**Justinian** · February 13, 2005, 12:42 PM

They're holding their spear at completely the wrong place to use it overhand ... :blink

**Kyoujin** · February 13, 2005, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by eiffryn@Feb 13 2005, 08:22 AM
They do look like the best out there, though I'd better mention that the comp. readme and unit cards don't seem to be with the zip, any chance of uploading them on this thread, thanks for the good work.

Well, I downloaded and examined the .rar and everything seems to be there. Perhaps your download was corrupted somehow. Try downloading it again.

KANARIC_SPARTAN_INFO.tga
#KANARIC_SPARTAN.tga
ReadMe.doc