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    It always amazes me how blacks vote in lock step for democrats when for the most part its been the republicans who have advanced civil rights and democrats who have been the racists.

    Democrat Chris Dodd said that Democrat Robert Byrd (who said on cable TV a few years earlier that he’d seen a lot of “white ” in his time), a former segregationist and KKK recruiter, would have been “a great senator” during America’s founding, crafting of the Constitution, and the Civil War.
    Woodrow Wilson, a liberal who implemented progressive reforms while in office, also instituted racial segregation throughout the federal government. And Bartlett notes that Wilson’s attorney general “did far more to repress free speech and political freedom” than Senator Joe McCarthy, a Republican, ever attempted. But when was the last time Hollywood made a movie about A. Mitchell Palmer?
    Franklin D. Roosevelt, who had a “reputation for being a progressive on the race issue,” wasn’t much better on civil rights. He appointed a Klan member to the Supreme Court and ordered the internment of Americans of Japanese descent during WWII. Republican Dwight Eisenhower, “conventionally portrayed as having done nothing for blacks during his eight years,” passed civil rights bills in 1957 (the first since Reconstruction) and 1960. Eisenhower also sent federal troops to enforce school desegregation in Little Rock, Arkansas.
    The one who started separation of church and state to stop catholics from using public buses.

    The shift in Southern voting patterns from Democratic to Republican had to have been about race, right? According to Bartlett, economic changes in the South were the primary factor. During the Democrats’ political reign, the South had been the poorest region. As the South’s wealth increased, southerners became receptive to Republican messages of low taxes and small government.

    People tend to forget that Nixon pushed to desegregate schools, denying federal aid to segregated school districts. “Just one month into his presidency,” Bartlett writes, “any idea that Nixon was pursuing a Southern strategy had been thoroughly discredited.”

    Unfortunately, Nixon also implemented government race preferences.

    Bartlett’s meticulously researched Wrong on Race concludes with suggestions on how Republicans can reach out to black voters, including connecting through immigration policy and this stunner: getting behind the idea of slavery reparations. Bartlett tries to make the case on legal, public policy, and political grounds.

    If reaching out to black voters has to involve reparations race pandering, don’t bother. (Besides, it wouldn’t work, anyway.) Despite that shocker at the end, Wrong on Race provides ammunition for Republicans fed up with being called racists.
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    Maybe because Democrats are seen as supporting the middle to lower classes, and there are many black Democrats in office. Republicans also get bad rep for incidents like Florida, where a Republican governor excludes countless black votes. Hurricane Katrina's lackluster response effort is associated with Bush, a Republican, and Katrina affected many more black people than white people. So there are quite a few bad things associated with Republicans, namely elitism and sometimes racism. Not very appealing to a minority, wouldn't you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NaptownKnight View Post
    Maybe because Democrats are seen as supporting the middle to lower classes, and there are many black Democrats in office. Republicans also get bad rep for incidents like Florida, where a Republican governor excludes countless black votes. Hurricane Katrina's lackluster response effort is associated with Bush, a Republican, and Katrina affected many more black people than white people. So there are quite a few bad things associated with Republicans, namely elitism and sometimes racism. Not very appealing to a minority, wouldn't you think?
    Well, that's the percention, for sure. And this is more of a generalized argument along the lines of "throw it against the wall and see what sticks".

    The reality is that in the whole of the Katrina area 45% or so was black, the rest was other races. No one can control where a hurricane hits, and there was poverty in the area, certainly. Yet more than just the poor or blacks of New Orleans were hurt by Katrina. Here is a demographic study of the entire area.

    Over time, the population is returning to the Katrina storm area. See this study.

    The Federal government has spent, to date, over 100 billion on repairs from Katrina. That's all our tax money spent to repair one small area of the nation. An area that might get hit again by a hurricane at any time. And the amount spent continues to grow.

    Florida's governor doesn't control who votes and the eligibility for voting. Their legislature does. The laws are administered by the Secretary of State. And the Supreme Court has ruled that it's not unreasonable for a voter to have a form of id to vote. Any fraud in the system should be eliminated, both ways, voter or by the volunteers at the polling station.

    And those "bad things" are just percentions created by politicians spinning to gain elections and votes. Without studying the facts behind the claims, it's easy to be led to a conclusion.

    Over time, the Democrats have created the percention that Republicans are racist, and it's not true in any general sense. Our system of government has delivered the most benefits across the width and depth of our population. Republicans support the peoples rights to achieve their goals and dreams. Democrats seem to be impeding that with their social policies, all in the name of political power.
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    Race is much more a north-south divide not a Republican-Democrat divide.


    1964 Civil Rights Act
    House Votes
    • Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
    • Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)
    • Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
    • Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)
    As of right now, the Republicans hold the southern caucus. (Pre-1960's the democrats held it). It comes with serious baggage, but the Reps just have to deal with it because they need the electoral votes.
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    Well its mostly because the racist members of the democrat party the dixiecrats went to the republican party in the 60s Strom Thurmond is a good example of this. Basically whilst many democrats were racist and republicans did do a lot for rights the democrats did a lot too with LBJ doing quite a lot in my mind.
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    It always amazes me how blacks vote in lock step for democrats when for the most part its been the republicans who have advanced civil rights and democrats who have been the racists.







    The one who started separation of church and state to stop catholics from using public buses.
    Generalised stereotypical garbage designed to cause more partisan conflict on the forums. You are like TWC's representative of the Republican propaganda machine, Rush, constantly posting bollocks about Obama's church and Clinton's gossip. This topic is easily dismissable with the truth; that America has made plenty of mistakes from both ends of its boring political spectrum. God, we only need to look to Strom Thurmund to see a recent example of both parties' racism in a single person.

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    This topic is easily dismissable with the truth; that America has made plenty of mistakes from both ends of its boring political spectrum. God, we only need to look to Strom Thurmund to see a recent example of both parties' racism in a single person.
    Exactly.

    Yet it is generalized to be a Republican problem here only. Why would that be? Why do the Democrats do that? /sarcasm
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    Well its mostly because the racist members of the democrat party the dixiecrats went to the republican party in the 60s Strom Thurmond is a good example of this. Basically whilst many democrats were racist and republicans did do a lot for rights the democrats did a lot too with LBJ doing quite a lot in my mind.
    Tis myth is dispelled in the article. LBJ indeed did miore than any other democrat. FDR is the guy who made the segregation laws on things like separate bathrooms for blacks.

    Generalised stereotypical garbage designed to cause more partisan conflict on the forums. You are like TWC's representative of the Republican propaganda machine, Rush, constantly posting bollocks about Obama's church and Clinton's gossip. T
    Stop the BS and show me where Im wrong. I represent the republican party here. I hate the bastards. Do you want me to get a collection of my posts saying so? I just hate the dems more these days.

    Yet it is generalized to be a Republican problem here only. Why would that be? Why do the Democrats do that? /sarcasm
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    And why do blacks believe it? How is it any black who is conservative is called an uncle tom?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush Limbaugh View Post


    Stop the BS and show me where Im wrong. I represent the republican party here. I hate the bastards. Do you want me to get a collection of my posts saying so? I just hate the dems more these days.
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    Ill tell you what find one where I praise them. Have you looked at my post count? Im a libertarian and always have been. I must state that just about everyday along with the fact that I have never in my life voted for a repiublican in my 60 years on this earth and Im not about to vote for Mc Cain either. How much more do you want? Im a Ron Paul guy through and through. Please dont insult me by calling me a republican ever again.
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    And why do blacks believe it? How is it any black who is conservative is called an uncle tom?
    To tie them to the Democrats coattails, of course. Government by Big Brother. There is no tolerance in the Democratic party. Anyone who doesn't believe what they say is outcast, much like Joe Lieberman. But ol' Joe fought back and retained his seat in the Senate.

    It's seen in the attacks on Hillary Clinton now. Hillary is finding out herself what it feels like to be a smidgen to the right of someone.

    People might be rascist but it does not correlate to political party. The Democrats create that perception to secure votes, pure and simple.

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    Woodrow Wilson, a liberal who implemented progressive reforms while in office, also instituted racial segregation throughout the federal government. And Bartlett notes that Wilson’s attorney general “did far more to repress free speech and political freedom” than Senator Joe McCarthy, a Republican, ever attempted. But when was the last time Hollywood made a movie about A. Mitchell Palmer?
    do your homework, before the 1950s the democrats were a racist party after the civil war all southern states were democrat (republican party created in the north by lincoln)

    also, senator Joe McCarthy was WAY too busy calling ever single person in the US government a communist to make any comments about race. McCarthy claimed he had a list of hundreds of communists within our government but in reality none of them were
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    1. OP says Democrats were rascists.
    1A You say Democrats were rascists.
    well last time i checked the calender it was a bit after 2000 and since the democrats haven't been racist since the 1950's i still don't see how i agreed

    2. OP says McCarthy wasn't so bad compared to Democrats
    2A. You say McCarthy wasn't so bad compared to Democrats.
    actually i never said anything like that, i was dismissing McCarthy as a legitimate example for good republican behavior by showing he had many of his own problems like blatantly making lies about people in our government.

    so again i ask you how is this agreement?
    perhaps if you actually read my post instead of making up your own interpretation we could have an actual argument
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    well last time i checked the calender it was a bit after 2000 and since the democrats haven't been racist since the 1950's i still don't see how i agreed



    actually i never said anything like that, i was dismissing McCarthy as a legitimate example for good republican behavior by showing he had many of his own problems like blatantly making lies about people in our government.

    so again i ask you how is this agreement?
    perhaps if you actually read my post instead of making up your own interpretation we could have an actual argument
    I can't argue with you since I agree with you and Rush. There is no argument, except the one in your head.

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    Black Republicans are like Black Confederates. Yes, there were some, but people are quick to brush them off as "stupid" or "misguided".

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    I wish you would at least read the article before responding

    And what about President Richard M. Nixon’s so-called Southern strategy? Bartlett calls it a myth. There was no strategy “to carry racist votes through coded messages about crime and welfare, as is often alleged.” During his campaign in 1968, Nixon emphasized his support for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and picked Spiro Agnew as his vice president, a man reputed to be strong on civil rights.

    The shift in Southern voting patterns from Democratic to Republican had to have been about race, right? According to Bartlett, economic changes in the South were the primary factor. During the Democrats’ political reign, the South had been the poorest region. As the South’s wealth increased, southerners became receptive to Republican messages of low taxes and small government.

    People tend to forget that Nixon pushed to desegregate schools, denying federal aid to segregated school districts. “Just one month into his presidency,” Bartlett writes, “any idea that Nixon was pursuing a Southern strategy had been thoroughly discredited.
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    'low taxes and small government' my foot. While those issues may have played a role, race was the real reason southern whites defected to the GOP.

    who is this Bartlett dude anyway?
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    Rutgers University (B.A., 1973) and Georgetown University (M.A., 1976). He originally studied American diplomatic history under Lloyd Gardner at Rutgers and Jules Davids at Georgetown. He did much work on the origins of the Pearl Harbor attack, doing a master's thesis on the topic at Georgetown, the substance of which was later published as "Coverup: The Politics of Pearl Harbor, 1941-1946" (New Rochelle, NY: Arlington House Publishers, 1978). He was closely advised by Percy Greaves, who had been Republican counsel to the congressional committee investigating the Pearl Harbor attack in 1946.

    In 1976, Bartlett changed careers, going to work for Congressman Ron Paul (R-Texas). Bartlett spent much of his time working with the House Banking Committee, of which Paul was a member, which involved Bartlett in economic issues. Paul was defeated for reelection in November, 1976. (Paul was subsequently elected in 1978-1984, did not seek reelection after 1986, but has been elected and reelected 1996.[1])

    In January 1977, Bartlett went to work for Congressman Jack Kemp (R-New York) as staff economist. Bartlett spent much of his time on tax issues, helping to draft the Kemp-Roth tax bill, which ultimately formed the basis of Ronald Reagan's 1981 tax cut. Bartlett's book, "Reaganomics: Supply-Side Economics in Action" appeared in 1981 (New Rochelle, NY: Arlington House Publishers). He also co-edited the book The Supply-Side Solution (Chatham, NJ: Chatham House Publishers, 1983).

    In 1978, Bartlett went to work for Perry Duryea, who was the Republican candidate for governor of New York. In November 1978, Duryea was defeated and Bartlett returned to Washington, where he joined the staff of newly elected Senator Roger Jepsen (R-Iowa).

    In 1981, Jepsen became Vice Chairman of the Joint Economic Committee of Congress and Bartlett became deputy director of the committee staff. In 1983, Jepsen became chairman and Bartlett became executive director of the JEC. During this period, the committee was very active in promoting Ronald Reagan's economic policies.

    In late 1984, Bartlett became vice president of Polyconomics, a New Jersey-based consulting company founded by Jude Wanniski, a former Wall Street Journal editorial writer, that advised Wall Street clients on economic and investment policy. Bartlett left in 1985 to become a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation in Washington, where he specialized in tax policy and was especially involved in the debate around the Tax Reform Act of 1986.

    In 1987, Bartlett became a senior policy analyst in the White House Office of Policy Development, then headed by Gary Bauer. In 1988, Bartlett left to become deputy assistant secretary for economic policy at the Treasury Department, where he served until the end of the administration of George H.W. Bush. He worked briefly at the Cato Institute in 1993.

    Bartlett lives in Great Falls, Virginia.

    [edit] Current work

    Since 1993, Bartlett had been affiliated with the National Center for Policy Analysis, a free-market think tank based in Dallas, Texas. In 2005 he was fired by the NCPA for his outspoken criticism of President George W. Bush.

    Since 1995, he has written a newspaper column for Creators Syndicate, based in Los Angeles, and written extensively for many newspapers and magazines, including The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, Fortune magazine, and Commentary magazine.

    In 2006, he published Impostor: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy (ISBN 0-385-51827-7), which is critical of the Bush Administration's economic policies as departing from traditional conservative principles.

    In an August 2007 The Wall Street Journal op-ed, Bartlett criticized the FairTax proposal as misleading and unlikely to simplify taxpaying.[2] Bartlett was especially critical of what he states are FairTax's accounting tricks in rate calculation and proponent claims that "real investment spending would rise 76%" if their plan were adopted.[2] A sponsor of the plan, Representative John Linder acknowledged Bartlett's point that the Church of Scientology had proposed a national sales tax, but said that the FairTax movement was independent of the Church of Scientology and Bartlett had confused them with the Scientology-affiliated Citizens for an Alternative Tax System.[3] (In fact, Americans For Fair Taxation advanced the "Fair Tax.") Other sponsors of the plan were critical of Bartlett's article claiming he used "red herrings" and provided false information on the plan and research.[4][5] In September 2007, Bartlett wrote an article for The New Republic,[6] where he continued his criticism of the FairTax, including his claim that the FairTax/national sales tax has its origins with the Church of Scientology. Bartlett restated information about the bill ("prebate" distribution method, i.e., rebate in advance) and what is included in the rate studies (prebate and government) that the plan's proponents have disputed and claim are false.[7]

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    so he's not one of Michael Savage and Michele Malkin's boys, but what is his evidence that Nixon didn't play divide and conquer with the working class vote , using race as the wedge. The notion that Agnew was some sort of liberal is asinine to say the least.

    I also find the notion that African Americans, that prevades both your arguement and the arguement of the link, aren't smart enough to think for themselves a little, um...racist. Thier is a big reason why African Americans vote Democratic: The Civil Rights Act.
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    How do you run a southern strategy by backing civil rights?
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