Recruitment problems?

[AqD]

Hi all!

I just noticed after upgrading to city barracks, some units become unavailable. I know I can just destroy it and rebuild again, but AI wouldn't do it.

Is it an intended "feature" or bug??

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I noticed the barracks is only available to a few factions in certain regions, but this could cause big problems for AI because some of its newly-captured cities wouldn't be able to recruit units...... (can't upgrade, and AI wouldn't destroy buildings)
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[DaVinci]

upgrading to city barracks, some units become unavailable

... please more specific.

However, the recruitment gets/got an overhaule (internal). But you'll always find areas where a faction cannot recruit units, this is to a certain degree based on the win conditions per faction or culture, ie. a muslim faction cannot recruit regular units in europe, and vice versa there won't be european factions that can recruit regular units in for example Persia or the desert. For example only crusading factions and to a certain degree the East-Romans can recruit units in Near-East and/or Asia Minor, but also very limited to certain regions. Chiv is a historical-realism mod and spans only from 1072 to 1222, there is no migration-recruitment (as ahistorical) and also there is no total war design that means "conquer the world".

[AqD]

... please more specific.

        barracks requires factions { gauls, germans, britons, numidia, dacia, romans_scipii, spain,  greek_cities, romans_brutii, thrace, parthia, romans_senate, scythia, macedon, romans_julii, }
        {
            capability
            {
                law_bonus bonus 1 requires factions { gauls, germans, britons, numidia, dacia, romans_scipii, spain,  greek_cities, romans_brutii, thrace, parthia, romans_senate, scythia, macedon, romans_julii, }
                taxable_income_bonus bonus 5
                recruit "urban militia"  0 requires factions { gauls, germans, britons, numidia, dacia, romans_scipii, spain, romans_senate, scythia, romans_julii, } and hidden_resource euro or hidden_resource crus
                recruit "muslim urban militia"  0 requires factions { thrace, macedon, greek_cities, romans_brutii, } and not hidden_resource euro and not hidden_resource steppe
                recruit "thematic infantry"  0 requires factions { parthia, } and hidden_resource turk
                recruit "spatharioi"  0 requires factions { parthia, } and hidden_resource turk
            }
            construction  1
            cost  1000
            settlement_min large_town
            upgrades
            {
                city_barracks
            }
        }
        city_barracks requires factions { parthia, dacia, romans_julii, } and hidden_resource konst or hidden_resource latein or hidden_resource sicily or hidden_resource trebizond or hidden_resource italy
        {
            capability
            {
                law_bonus bonus 1 requires factions { parthia, dacia, romans_julii, }
                taxable_income_bonus bonus 5
                recruit "urban militia" 0 requires factions { dacia, } and hidden_resource sicily
                recruit "urban militia" 0 requires factions { romans_julii, } and hidden_resource italy
                recruit "italian city militia" 0 requires factions { dacia, } and hidden_resource sicily
                recruit "italian city militia" 0 requires factions { romans_julii, } and hidden_resource italy

                recruit "thematic infantry"  0 requires factions { parthia, }
                recruit "skutatos"  1 requires factions { parthia, } and hidden_resource konst
                recruit "skutatos"  0 requires factions { parthia, } and hidden_resource latein or hidden_resource trebizond
                recruit "menlaviatoi"  0 requires factions { parthia, }        and hidden_resource konst or hidden_resource latein
                recruit "spatharioi"  0 requires factions { parthia, }
            }
            construction  3
            cost  2000
            settlement_min city
            upgrades
            {
                royal_barracks
            }
        }

The unit "Urban militia" is available to many factions in barracks but become unavailable after you upgrade - while AI factions may not do this stupid action themselves, it would cause problem when they capture settlements from other factions. For example, the "gauls" captures a "dacia"'s settlement, which already has city barracks - now what can the gauls do to recruit urban militia? No way, because AI would never raze existing buildings.
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[DaVinci]

Correct, the French can't recruit Urban Militia if a city barracks is already in place, therefor the construction of the city barracks is limited to certain regions and to certain factions who had the tradition of standing professional militia troops (as Sicily, Italian City States and East-Romans). Please read the building description (it deals with "standing army in europe" etc.).

But it can recruit other units, for example the Italian City Militia as mercs (those are then the 'native traitors' if you want so) within the Inn buildings.
Urban militia troops should be understood as city-bounded native units (very semi-professionals though), who serve (more or less loyal) for money the local and native souvereigns to keep the order in their realms.

Hope this helps to understand the background.

[icydawgfish]

So I guess recreating the Roman Empire is out with the Byzantines. Because in 0.96, they can only recruit factional units in Anatolia, parts of the near east, and the Balkans.

[Zenith Darksea]

I discovered this with Denmark too, actually. After upgrading to a castle in Vordingborg I gained access to Hirdmen but lost access to Huscarls, Viking Warriors and Viking Raiders. I changed the code though, and I think that it would be a bit odd that you would be able to train Hirdmen but not Huscarls.

[DaVinci]

No, this reflects the passing-by of the Viking era. Hirdmen though were "in use" still longer.

You guys obviously don't think in historical relations

[hammy the hamster]

Same thing happens to Saxon huscarls once you upgrade past a donjon.

[Zenith Darksea]

I do. I just don't think it's a good idea to tie them to buildings. How come the Viking era has passed in Vordingborg but not in Viborg? Also it's a bloody pain not to be able to train any Viking Raiders, and thus to have no light cavalry at all.

[DaVinci]

Also it's a bloody pain not to be able to train any Viking Raiders

... is it really that hard?

Well, all factions were tested over several years of development and betatesting, and Danes are very playable with the current design (but a challenge as it should be). If you actually don't like these historical reflections (to negate certain units isn't possible in another way as now), then just change it as you like.
Btw., Danes weren't big cavalrymen ... . Also the Viking Raider Cav is rather a thing that has been taken over from MTW in the first days of Chiv's development (and is not very historical).