Damn Seleucid CTD

[Zipzopdippidybopbop]

hey. im playing a new campaign as the Seleucids. these are the mods i have installed on my rome game.

patch 1.5
enhancement pack 2
mundus magnus
atgs spartans
(several units from XGM and RTR)

and a few tweaks on my part.

everytime i click to end the turn it either CTD's right away or CTD's when the turn is ended and the nations make moves - when it hovers over the Seleucid name. its completely random, as i tried again and it worked for another 2 turns. iv never played as seleucids before this, so its confusing.

Oh by the way, when it CTD's i get no error message.

After testing on other factions, only the Seleucids CTD. it usually happens on the 2nd turn (AI)...god this is pissin me off anyone any ideas? would be greatly appreciated thanks.

Ive noticed that as soon as a build an armourer in Antioch, and try to retrain my units i get this CTD. i tried again using the process_cq and its the same.

[irishron]

Go through your files and make sure all your units you added are named right and are in all the right files. There are about six or seven animation unit animation files including mounts, armour, and weapons and they all have to match the descr_export_units.txt. That includes factions and cultures.

[Zipzopdippidybopbop]

aye but the units i have added, iv tested on the battle map. they all work fine, and at the campaign start, the only units in antioch are ones previously used if u understand me.

[irishron]

If no error message then it is graphics. If it is only Seleucid then it is in the Seleucid files. Get it? Check your regions and settlements to make sure they all line up as in region colors, region and settlement names, family names and in the right order, starting units in regions? I have done enough modding to know theses will cause faction specific ctds. Even if you go 2 turns and no error, on turn 3, it or you use something you did not use in the first 2 turns, and the game cannot find all the pieces to that thing, even a new family member, it will crash. You made your own mod it is your mod to fix.

[Zipzopdippidybopbop]

go raibh maith agat

yeah it always happens on the 2nd turn. ill have a look into the seleucid files, and see what i find.

[Zipzopdippidybopbop]

ahh hang on. in descr_strat, under the seleucid family members, theres a very long list. ill show you.

character Demetrius, named character, age 26, , x 294, y 96
traits Intelligent 2 , Energetic 1
ancillaries mentor
army
unit greek general's guard cavalry early exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek levy pikemen exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek levy pikemen exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek levy pikemen exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek cavalry exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek cavalry exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Achaeus of Hippus, general, age 20, , x 216, y 116
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 257, y 114
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 250, y 125
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 192, y 124
army
unit greek levy pikemen exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek levy pikemen exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 275, y 137
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 205, y 99
army
unit greek levy pikemen exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek levy pikemen exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek cavalry exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek peltast exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 289, y 114
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 308, y 89
army
unit greek cavalry exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 329, y 126
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 319, y 135
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 306, y 152
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 314, y 169
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 327, y 148
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek cavalry exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 265, y 98
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 292, y 149
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 284, y 135
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 277, y 127
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 168, y 118
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 219, y 126
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 231, y 124
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 193, y 114
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Euthydemus, admiral, age 20, , x 193, y 108
army
unit naval biremes exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Attalus, diplomat, age 20, , x 204, y 112
traits GoodDiplomat 3



yes its very long, but is that fine? iv checked other nations, and they do not have so many under a single name as this does... (btw, this is from the mundus magnus mod, not my own work!)

[irishron]

I have had and played the original MUndus Magnus and many of the mods that use including Terrae Expugnandae. There may have been problems with the original but it's been too long ago to remember.

That many family members of the same name and age has been known to cause problems. Below it you will find something like this:
character_record Fiora Rossi, female, age 10, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Puccio Rossi, male, age 11, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Catelano Rossi, male, age 8, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Agostino Rossi, male, age 2, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Jacopa, female, age 52, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Maria, female, age 30, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Bella, female, age 30, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Simona, female, age 6, alive, never_a_leader

relative Giorgio Rossi, Jacopa, Bernardo Rossi, Cristoforo Rossi, Fiora Rossi, end
relative Bernardo Rossi, Maria, Puccio Rossi, Catelano Rossi, end
relative Cristoforo Rossi, Bella, Simona, Agostino Rossi, end
I robbed this off another mod it's not Seleucid but the file structure is the same. All family members at the start of the game have to be listed here and with the right relative and the right place in line by age.

It's been a very long time but I remember the first 2 versions of Rome total ralism causing crashes because the modder not getting this part right.
Hope this helps.

[Zipzopdippidybopbop]

character_record Cleitos, male, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 14, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Gyras, male, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 9, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Kassandros, male, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 4, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Zeuxis, male, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 10, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Alkmena, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 58, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Aspasia, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 30, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Parthenope, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 28, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Athena, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 24, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Dione, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 24, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Helike, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 8, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Orthia, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 2, alive, never_a_leader

relative Antiochus, Alkmena, Aristarchus, Alexander, Demetrius, Dione, end
relative Aristarchus, Aspasia, Cleitos, Zeuxis, end
relative Alexander, Parthenope, Gyras, Helike, end
relative Demetrius, Athena, Kassandros, Orthia, end


it looks fine from a glance..... damn ¬_¬

[irishron]

Family_tree order doesn't match the relative order. Look at the one in vanilla, too. The original order may still be there.

[Zipzopdippidybopbop]

character_record Cleitos, male, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 14, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Gyras, male, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 9, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Kassandros, male, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 4, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Zeuxis, male, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 10, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Alkmena, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 58, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Aspasia, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 30, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Parthenope, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 28, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Athena, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 24, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Dione, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 24, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Helike, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 8, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Orthia, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 2, alive, never_a_leader

relative Antiochus, Alkmena, Aristarchus, Alexander, Demetrius, Dione, end
relative Aristarchus, Aspasia, Cleitos, Zeuxis, end
relative Alexander, Parthenope, Gyras, Helike, end
relative Demetrius, Athena, Kassandros, Orthia, end


this is the vanilla one: sorry im jus postin it to compare..

[irishron]

In your post #6, there is no Alkmena, Aristarchus, or Alexander with their position, attributes, or units in their armies. They should be lisred above Demetrius. That would cause a ctd, especially with one already 14 coming of age at 16.

Does this help?

[Zipzopdippidybopbop]

character Antiochus, named character, leader, age 60, , x 200, y 111
traits GoodCommander 2 , NaturalMilitarySkill 1 , PublicFaith 2 , GoodAdministrator 2
ancillaries heroic_saviour
army
unit greek general's guard cavalry early exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek medium cavalry exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek medium cavalry exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek levy pikemen exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek levy pikemen exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek medium cavalry exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek peltast exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek elephant african exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek elephant african exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek elephant african exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Aristarchus, named character, heir, age 40, , x 241, y 109
traits Aesthetic 2 , GoodAdministrator 2 , Intelligent 3 , Embezzler 1
ancillaries exotic_slave, biographer
army
unit greek general's guard cavalry early exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek cavalry exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek cavalry exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek levy pikemen exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek levy pikemen exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek levy pikemen exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek peltast exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Alexander, named character, age 30, , x 162, y 113
traits GoodAdministrator 2 , Intelligent 1
ancillaries desert_scout
army
unit greek general's guard cavalry early exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek levy pikemen exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek levy pikemen exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Demetrius, named character, age 26, , x 294, y 96
traits Intelligent 2 , Energetic 1
ancillaries mentor
army
unit greek general's guard cavalry early exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek levy pikemen exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek levy pikemen exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek levy pikemen exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek cavalry exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek cavalry exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Achaeus of Hippus, general, age 20, , x 216, y 116
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 257, y 114
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 250, y 125
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 192, y 124
army
unit greek levy pikemen exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek levy pikemen exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 275, y 137
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 205, y 99
army
unit greek levy pikemen exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek levy pikemen exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek cavalry exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek peltast exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 289, y 114
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 308, y 89
army
unit greek cavalry exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 329, y 126
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 319, y 135
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 306, y 152
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 314, y 169
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 327, y 148
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek cavalry exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 265, y 98
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 292, y 149
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 284, y 135
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 277, y 127
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 168, y 118
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 219, y 126
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 231, y 124
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Molon, general, age 20, , x 193, y 114
army
unit greek hoplite militia exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Euthydemus, admiral, age 20, , x 193, y 108
army
unit naval biremes exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character Attalus, diplomat, age 20, , x 204, y 112
traits GoodDiplomat 3

character Philip, spy, age 20, , x 185, y 123
traits GoodSpy 2

character_record Cleitos, male, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 14, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Gyras, male, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 9, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Kassandros, male, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 4, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Zeuxis, male, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 10, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Alkmena, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 58, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Aspasia, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 30, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Parthenope, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 28, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Athena, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 24, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Dione, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 24, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Helike, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 8, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Orthia, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 2, alive, never_a_leader

relative Antiochus, Alkmena, Aristarchus, Alexander, Demetrius, Dione, end
relative Aristarchus, Aspasia, Cleitos, Zeuxis, end
relative Alexander, Parthenope, Gyras, Helike, end
relative Demetrius, Athena, Kassandros, Orthia, end


that it sorted then?

[irishron]

It looks sorted to me. The only thing I can see is too many Molon generals as you have said earlier. My only suggestion would be go down through the Seleucid names and rename them. I would also suggest as it is the descr_strat file delete the map.rwm and start a new campaign.

[Zipzopdippidybopbop]

in all honesty, i dont know what to do from here...

descr_strat is one of my weak points....when it comes to families anyway

[Zipzopdippidybopbop]

i tried it the way it was. and it works fine now. its just that previously, i would attempt to force the majority of my settlements to civil revolt, cause i found such a big empire from the start too hard to manage. and when they wer meant to revolt, it would CTD. thats all i know.

plus every now and again, the game CTD's when i fight a battle in greece or italy.... usually it will work the first time, but the 2nd battle will crash during the loading.

[Zipzopdippidybopbop]

thanks very much for ur help btw, very kind of you to help me

[irishron]

You're welcome and good luck with your mod.