Should hillary run as an Indendent if she doesnt get the Dem nomination?

[Rush Limbaugh]

I say go for it honey or should I say sweetie ?.Man that would spice things up. If she wins at least Im not stuck with Obama and I loose her as a Senator. Its almost a win win situtation.

[Hunter Makoy]

no reason for her dismantling of the democratic party to end at the convension.

[Senno]

I say go for it honey or should I say sweetie ?.Man that would spice things up. If she wins at least Im not stuck with Obama and I loose her as a Senator. Its almost a win win situtation.

I think she is so blinded by ambition that she might just do it. I see it in her eyes, that crazed daze of lust for power.

[Rush Limbaugh]

I know i see it as well. Im not joking here. Its very possible and she would draw a lot of voters from Mc Cain and Obama . I think she would trash Obama in the general 1 on 1

[Fabolous]

Would or should Clinton run as an independent? You have to consider what her motivation is, what she is trying to do? It is very clear, she is trying to become President. So if she was considering running as an independent, the question is can she win? I think the answer is clearly no. Her support is already about half the democrats, and some would defect as they would be mad at her for "killing" the party. It would very likely lead to a McCain victory. She just couldn't win as an independent. So it doesn't help her goal. Her best chance to become President is her staying within the party, "supporting" Obama and then Obama losing to McCain in the general, which is possible. In 2012 Clinton would then be able to return, she would again be the frontrunner (pick the canidate who would have beaten the Republicans, I am a proven fighter and proven in swing states... easy pitch), she wouldn't make the mistakes she did this time (largely ignore the caucus states), and she would challenge the incumbent McCain in the general.

[CDMan477]

Her best chance to become President is her staying within the party, "supporting" Obama and then Obama losing to McCain in the general, which is possible.

Not that I think she will run as an independent mind you, but this outcome is not guaranteed at all. And waiting 8 years at another shot is probably not an option for her. Running as an independent would most likely lead to Obamas defeat as you said and would give her another shot in 2012. For a woman who would be 69 in 2016 I believe, this year or 2012 may be her best shot. As I stated, I don't think she would do it anyway. Besides possibly being political suicide within her own party, I don't see how she could muster the finances to pull it off.

[Kamos]

I think she is so blinded by ambition that she might just do it. I see it in her eyes, that crazed daze of lust for power.

I must agree there it's why I don't trust her.

[whhyy]

Hillary is like a zombie.

[Bella]

I say go for it honey or should I say sweetie ?.Man that would spice things up. If she wins at least Im not stuck with Obama and I loose her as a Senator. Its almost a win win situtation.

It'd be a wet dream for you and your Republican friends, but hey. It's always the Republicans who claim morality (particularly sexual and religious) yet are almost always the ones being busted in prostitute stings and homosexual activities, or cheating on their wives, etc. and so forth. So whatever floats your boat. We liberals aren't the ones who've ended up making ourselves look like asses the last 8 years being caught red handed literally everyday on the news rolling in hypocrisy. ie - ol' Rushie pissing and moaning about drug users only to be busted as an oxycontin junkie. So yeah, have fun with that.

But, "stuck with Obama," you say? I suppose you also think having Junior in the White House the last 8 years has just been a boon to the American people, right? I'm sure the auto workers in Detroit would agree with you, yes?

What has always blown my mind about Republicans is that they're always the first ones to shove Jesus down your throat, yet Republican is the party of "you, yourself" whereas Democrat is the party of "the people." Did Jesus not preach about taking care of each other, or did I miss something in Bible study?

[Senno]

It'd be a wet dream for you and your Republican friends, but hey. It's always the Republicans who claim morality (particularly sexual and religious) yet are almost always the ones being busted in prostitute stings and homosexual activities, or cheating on their wives, etc. and so forth. So whatever floats your boat. We liberals aren't the ones who've ended up making ourselves look like asses the last 8 years being caught red handed literally everyday on the news rolling in hypocrisy. ie - ol' Rushie pissing and moaning about drug users only to be busted as an oxycontin junkie. So yeah, have fun with that

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Well, glad to see you have the new "wet dream" liberal talking point down pat. Way to over-generalize to make a point. Looking at scandals historically then are pretty evenly spread out. Me thinks thou doth protest to much.

And you are right, Democrats don't need a scandal to make an ass out of themselves. The simpleton economic policies do that easily enough for Liberals. The "who cares if we tax you" remarks that slip out every one in a while.

Typical liberal elitism. Government does not know best, sorry to have to tell you that.

But, "stuck with Obama," you say? I suppose you also think having Junior in the White House the last 8 years has just been a boon to the American people, right? I'm sure the auto workers in Detroit would agree with you, yes?

Actually you are wrong about Rush. He's not a Republican. You'd know that if you read anything, instead of leaping in like the angry liberal tilting at windmills.....

The auto workers in Detroit better get with the times, those jobs probably aren't coming back.

What has always blown my mind about Republicans is that they're always the first ones to shove Jesus down your throat, yet Republican is the party of "you, yourself" whereas Democrat is the party of "the people." Did Jesus not preach about taking care of each other, or did I miss something in Bible study?

Charity starts at home. Taking care of my family first relieves society of that burden. But hey, if you wish to be a ward of the state, be my guest. Myself, I will continue to work hard when and take care of my family.

[Bella]

.Well, glad to see you have the new "wet dream" liberal talking point down pat. Way to over-generalize to make a point. Looking at scandals historically then are pretty evenly spread out. Me thinks thou doth protest to much.

We were on the topic of the current age. But if you want to dig up some old relics to prove a point, go right ahead.

And you are right, Democrats don't need a scandal to make an ass out of themselves. The simpleton economic policies do that easily enough for Liberals. The "who cares if we tax you" remarks that slip out every one in a while.

Simpleton economic policies like Social Security and Medicare, right? Those worked out so horribly for so many Americans, didn't they.

Typical liberal elitism. Government does not know best, sorry to have to tell you that.

Nice talking point. Simple projection, mastered by Republicans. You've proven to be the epitome of elitism over the last 8 years with all the corporate welfare and golden parachutes, yet you accuse the Democrats of elitism? You're a regular comedian, my friend.

Actually you are wrong about Rush. He's not a Republican. You'd know that if you read anything, instead of leaping in like the angry liberal tilting at windmills.....

You're right. He himself never said he was the "water carrier" for the conservatives in government. You know, when it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck...

The auto workers in Detroit better get with the times, those jobs probably aren't coming back.

You're right again. People who devoted 40 years of their lives to GM and Ford (only to be laid off and their pensions lost whilst CEO's make off with million dollar golden parachutes) and are in their late 50's and 60's now should go back to school for another 10 years so they can re-enter the "modern" work force at 70. That's so...logical.

Charity starts at home. Taking care of my family first relieves society of that burden. But hey, if you wish to be a ward of the state, be my guest. Myself, I will continue to work hard when and take care of my family.

Yep. I've never worked hard in my life. I didn't start out and work my way up from grocery store stock jobs, rebuilding catfish motors and moving thousands of pounds of packages a day at UPS for years before putting together my own successful small business design company, with my own money (no grant required). You're so right, man. There's never been a liberal in the history of this country who's worked as hard as you upstanding, patriotic conservatives.

You do know that Republicans believe in safety nets, right? Democrats are sadly lacking in actual facts, just stoke up the emotions.

Had Republicans not believed in safety nets they could of been dismantled. That they exist is testimony to Republicans support for safety net programs.

Use emotions to stir up sympathy for your "80 year old grandmother", while hiding the trainwreck of policies. Typical policy, hand out with one hand, hide the truth with the other.

That's why this Republican came up with the ultimate safety net, which Republicans wanted to turn over to Wall Street.

Also, I do not use my grandmother as a sympathy ploy. I simply stated a fact about her situation. Geez. You Republicans sure are paranoid.

[Senno]

We were on the topic of the current age. But if you want to dig up some old relics to prove a point, go right ahead.

Scandals on both sides happen, and always most likely will. Clinton couldn't keep willy in his pants....

Simpleton economic policies like Social Security and Medicare, right? Those worked out so horribly for so many Americans, didn't they.

Both Medicare and Social Security are running out of time and need reform. And both are supported by Republicans anyway. Do you always use the same broken argument over and over? Republicans support safety nets.

By the way, do you know what monetary policy is? Or do you consider anything that is income-redistribution to be economics?

Like I said: simpletons.

Nice talking point. Simple projection, mastered by Republicans. You've proven to be the epitome of elitism over the last 8 years with all the corporate welfare and golden parachutes, yet you accuse the Democrats of elitism? You're a regular comedian, my friend.

That's funny. Both parties have given grants and tax breaks over the years to spur innovation. It's just that the Democrats then lie about it and then classify it as "corporate welfare" to get elected. If you want growth and innovation, that is gonna happen.

It's simpleton liberals who are then fooled by the class-warfare argument. The Democrats lead you by the nose, while handing out "corporate welfare" with the other hand.

Like I said: simpletons.

You're right again. People who devoted 40 years of their lives to GM and Ford (only to be laid off and their pensions lost whilst CEO's make off with million dollar golden parachutes) and are in their late 50's and 60's now should go back to school for another 10 years so they can re-enter the "modern" work force at 70. That's so...logical.

Life's hard, then you die. Adapt and overcome, or fade away. Who has to go to school for 10 years anyway? Do you always overstate your case?

And if they are as old as you say, Social Security is there for now for them to use.

And what exactly is so wrong with privitization? I have a 401k that I have kept since 1991. When I change employers I roll it over into theirs. How well do you think it's done with my own contributions, matching contributions from the employer, and interest compounding on itself all this time? In 1991 the market was at about 2000, now it's over 12000. Do you understand the power of compounding interest? My 401k is doing pretty good.....

It's why I tell young peoples invest, and keep investing and don't look at the short term effects. Just wait til you are 55, and you will be able to retire. Here is a compound interest calculator. Sheep specifically, check it out, I know you have some money out there. Even if you are against privatization of SS, please, check this out for your own investments.

Young people these days don't even want to pay the social security tax. They don't think Social Security will be there when they retire. Privatization, which would allow YOU to keep your own interest and compound it alllllll those years, is amazing. Why not put that power to work for everyone? You are letting the government float your interest for your whole life now.

You simply use class warfare again to stoke up emotions, try some facts for a change. Source how many of these 40 year employees there are with no retirements.

Simple jealousy as politics. CEO works hard, earns money. Democrats demonize them to lead liberals by the nose to get their votes.

Like I said: Simpletons.

Yep. I've never worked hard in my life. I didn't start out and work my way up from grocery store stock jobs, rebuilding catfish motors and moving thousands of pounds of packages a day at UPS for years before putting together my own successful small business design company, with my own money (no grant required). You're so right, man. There's never been a liberal in the history of this country who's worked as hard as you upstanding, patriotic conservatives.

Yay you. Do you always internalize everything you read to yourself? There are many other people out there who also work hard and don't wish to be a ward of the state.

Why do you leave poor grandma to be a ward of the state? Supplement her social security and medicare with your hard earned money.

Or do you just enjoy letting her suffer so you can complain and make class warfare?

Like I said: Simpletons.

[Bella]

Scandals on both sides happen, and always most likely will. Clinton couldn't keep willy in his pants....



Both Medicare and Social Security are running out of time and need reform. And both are supported by Republicans anyway. Do you always use the same broken argument over and over? Republicans support safety nets.

By the way, do you know what monetary policy is? Or do you consider anything that is income-redistribution to be economics?

Like I said: simpletons.



That's funny. Both parties have given grants and tax breaks over the years to spur innovation. It's just that the Democrats then lie about it and then classify it as "corporate welfare" to get elected. If you want growth and innovation, that is gonna happen.

It's simpleton liberals who are then fooled by the class-warfare argument. The Democrats lead you by the nose, while handing out "corporate welfare" with the other hand.

Like I said: simpletons.



Life's hard, then you die. Adapt and overcome, or fade away. Who has to go to school for 10 years anyway? Do you always overstate your case?

And if they are as old as you say, Social Security is there for now for them to use.

And what exactly is so wrong with privitization? I have a 401k that I have kept since 1991. When I change employers I roll it over into theirs. How well do you think it's done with my own contributions, matching contributions from the employer, and interest compounding on itself all this time? In 1991 the market was at about 2000, now it's over 12000. Do you understand the power of compounding interest? My 401k is doing pretty good.....

It's why I tell young peoples invest, and keep investing and don't look at the short term effects. Just wait til you are 55, and you will be able to retire. Here is a compound interest calculator. Sheep specifically, check it out, I know you have some money out there. Even if you are against privatization of SS, please, check this out for your own investments.

Young people these days don't even want to pay the social security tax. They don't think Social Security will be there when they retire. Privatization, which would allow YOU to keep your own interest and compound it alllllll those years, is amazing. Why not put that power to work for everyone? You are letting the government float your interest for your whole life now.

You simply use class warfare again to stoke up emotions, try some facts for a change. Source how many of these 40 year employees there are with no retirements.

Simple jealousy as politics. CEO works hard, earns money. Democrats demonize them to lead liberals by the nose to get their votes.

Like I said: Simpletons.



Yay you. Do you always internalize everything you read to yourself? There are many other people out there who also work hard and don't wish to be a ward of the state.

Why do you leave poor grandma to be a ward of the state? Supplement her social security and medicare with your hard earned money.

Or do you just enjoy letting her suffer so you can complain and make class warfare?

Like I said: Simpletons.

Like I said, the "you, yourself party."

And I do help my grandmother. Have been since I held my first job as she raised me. As I would yours if I found she needed the help. My point is, I highly doubt you'd ever do the same for mine because you're of the "me, me, me" party whereas I'm of the "we, we, we" party.

[Da Skinna]

That would be being such a sore loser to do that...

[Rush Limbaugh]

It's always the Republicans who claim morality (particularly sexual and religious) yet are almost always the ones being busted in prostitute stings and homosexual activities, or cheating on their wives, etc. and so forth

See the part in bold? Thats a lie. Their the ones the press beats to death.The difference is that the press makes a big deal of it because t they claim to have morales. The democrats profess no such priniciples. If you dont believe me just check out the last govenor of NY or the new one even. Or Better yet the last 1 in New Jersey. Nobody cares when democrats do it. Its expected.

[H_man]

Hillary has made it explicitly clear, in a number of her speeches, that she will support the nominee, whomever he may be, in November. So, in essence Rush, the answer to your question is no, she will not run as an independent if she does not win the nomination of the party. Whether or not she should is, to put it bluntly, a complete waste of time to speculate. In all likelihood, she will not be the vice president when Obama wins in November, or some other high-level position in which Obama can use her experience to further the country's agenda, whatever that may be by the time January roles around.

[Bella]

See the part in bold? Thats a lie. Their the ones the press beats to death.The difference is that the press makes a big deal of it because t they claim to have morales. The democrats profess no such priniciples. If you dont believe me just check out the last govenor of NY or the new one even. Or Better yet the last 1 in New Jersey. Nobody cares when democrats do it. Its expected.

You know, that's funny. Because I seem to recall the media going ape**** for 2 or 3 weeks about the Elliot Spitzer scandal and the new governor. They, by no means, gave them free pass. Hell, even The Daily Show made fun of them. So your argument is moot.

Furthermore, Democrats are the party of principles and morals. Ever heard of Social Security and Medicare? You know, those government things that help my 80 year old grandmother pay her rising medical costs and household bills? Those damn sure weren't brought around by Republicans.

But quick, Rush. Change the subject. Use some projection. Put the blame elsewhere. It's what Republicans do best.

[Rush Limbaugh]

Hillary has made it explicitly clear, in a number of her speeches, that she will support the nominee, whomever he may be,

I remember her last acceptance speech very clearly and I quote.

I will support the nominee, whomever she may be

It got a big chuckle.

Thanks for reminding me. i didnt think of that until now. Wow. This is good weed.

[Senno]

You know, that's funny. Because I seem to recall the media going ape**** for 2 or 3 weeks about the Elliot Spitzer scandal and the new governor. They, by no means, gave them free pass. Hell, even The Daily Show made fun of them. So your argument is moot.

Furthermore, Democrats are the party of principles and morals. Ever heard of Social Security and Medicare? You know, those government things that help my 80 year old grandmother pay her rising medical costs and household bills? Those damn sure weren't brought around by Republicans
But quick, Rush. Change the subject. Use some projection. Put the blame elsewhere. It's what Republicans do best

You do know that Republicans believe in safety nets, right? Democrats are sadly lacking in actual facts, just stoke up the emotions.

Had Republicans not believed in safety nets they could of been dismantled. That they exist is testimony to Republicans support for safety net programs.

Use emotions to stir up sympathy for your "80 year old grandmother", while hiding the trainwreck of policies. Typical policy, hand out with one hand, hide the truth with the other.

[Rush Limbaugh]

We were on the topic of the current age.

NY governor Eliot Spitzer caught in sex scandal

For once a democrat stepped down.

Our new govenor

Gov. Paterson admits to sex with other woman for years

Its OK his wife was having an affair as well.

And this one is my favorite from across the river

Divorce proceedings for former New Jersey governor McGreevey last longer than his marriage did

Seems his wife is suing for divorce claiming she didnt know he was gay. He says he can prove she knew because they used to have threesomes with another man. Im sure their kids will love hearing about this when they get older.

But quick, Rush. Change the subject. Use some projection. Put the blame elsewhere. It's what Republicans do best

Are you adressing me? Because Im no republican thats for sure.

Oh more of this BS

You're right. He himself never said he was the "water carrier" for the conservatives in government. You know, when it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck..

I am an unabashed conservative and proud to carry the water for any other true conservatives. You wont find many of them in government these days. Your opinion is not all its quacked up to be. In fact its more like a lame duck.

Here play with this