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    And much more salaminomaxos, much more...

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    ''The world has no room for cowards. We must all be ready somehow to toil, to suffer, to die. And yours is not the less noble because no drum beats before you when you go out into your daily battlefields, and no crowds shout about your coming when you return from your daily victory or defeat.''


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    did army formations like the skoutatoi or other originally thematic ones not consist also of foreigners in large numbers at the komnenian period? and were these foreigners given land or were they paid as mercenaries?
    i just ask as this will be very important for representation ingame, eg if their upkeep shall be that of militias, professionels or mercs.

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    Our "merc" units will be present as hetairiae(skithiki,alamani,varangians etc)...
    For example in the varangians you will see the same time saxons and vikings(diferent shields)...
    IN skithiki you will see petjenegs and cumans the same time!
    There are moments (in history), in which a nation owes,
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    seems as i asked not clearly enough, sry for that:

    my question did not go for the actual representation of mercs in CBUR, but for the practise of mixing natives and mercenaries under the komnenians, while keeping old names for unit formations that former where native (thematic)ones.
    If i assume the above is correct, the thematic troops of the komnenians were a mixture of foreigners(not organised in hetairiai) and natives, correct?

    (would be a better question in the discussion thread i assume, maybe it should be moved)

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    Quote Originally Posted by HannibalExMachina View Post
    seems as i asked not clearly enough, sry for that:

    my question did not go for the actual representation of mercs in CBUR, but for the practise of mixing natives and mercenaries under the komnenians, while keeping old names for unit formations that former where native (thematic)ones.
    If i assume the above is correct, the thematic troops of the komnenians were a mixture of foreigners(not organised in hetairiai) and natives, correct?

    (would be a better question in the discussion thread i assume, maybe it should be moved)
    If i understand you corect...The cavalarii were a mixure(in that era)of turkish,armenias and greek soldiers!
    We didn't make diferent skins (in the same unit)but this will be explainted in the units cards infos to help the players have access to historical info...
    Such mixed origin units will be exept cavalarii,gasmuli,murtati etc!
    There are moments (in history), in which a nation owes,
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    Even without hope of winning. Just because it has to.
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    "Spartans do not ask how many (enemies are) but where they are"!
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    that was my question, thx.

    the other half of the question:
    would eg the komnenian skoutatoi consist just of smaller landholders like in the old thematic system, or would a part of them be mercenaries?

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    Soldiers of the "micra pronoia"...Like the stratiotae(byz lancers)!
    In fact mixed or not the following units are actually the same one...
    Scutati and Murtati
    Cavalarii and Stratiotae...
    Large pronoias or simply pronoias give access only to Pronoiars(the land owners and their "knights")!
    There are moments (in history), in which a nation owes,
    if it wants to be considered as a great one, to be able to fight.
    Even without hope of winning. Just because it has to.
    Greek War motto.
    XXI Armored Brigade. Proud that served in that unit in 1996!
    "Spartans do not ask how many (enemies are) but where they are"!
    XXI Armored Brigade's motto.
    The Greek Secret (or why they will fight again if it will be necessary or why they do not sell their history).


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    thx again

    in the light of that, i think dHHR will represent them as feudal units, according to our ZOC system: low recruiting cost, and very low upkeep.

    (as you may see, i am dHHRs own byzantine fanboy, so if you have suggs how we may improve them, just stick to me.)

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    If you try to make a feudal scale in byz troops...things go comlicated...
    Someone could easily say that byz lancers and scutati could be like the mounted sergeants and sergeants of europe...:hmmm:
    But we seam to forget that Acritae were proffetionals also...
    Maybe acritae like sergeants and scutati like men at arms or heavy sergeants...:hmmm:
    Same with the mounted units...
    There are moments (in history), in which a nation owes,
    if it wants to be considered as a great one, to be able to fight.
    Even without hope of winning. Just because it has to.
    Greek War motto.
    XXI Armored Brigade. Proud that served in that unit in 1996!
    "Spartans do not ask how many (enemies are) but where they are"!
    XXI Armored Brigade's motto.
    The Greek Secret (or why they will fight again if it will be necessary or why they do not sell their history).


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    that would fit my thoughts, as in my current concept, akritai are the basic "feudal" infantry, the skoutatoi the more advanced ones (i used kontaratoi as city militias, maybe not 100% historical, but i needed a unit in the city barracks:hmmm, similiar for mounted units.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HannibalExMachina View Post
    that would fit my thoughts, as in my current concept, akritai are the basic "feudal" infantry, the skoutatoi the more advanced ones (i used kontaratoi as city militias, maybe not 100% historical, but i needed a unit in the city barracks:hmmm, similiar for mounted units.
    Contarati ARE the city millitias!
    You can use the acontistae as peasants or similar unit...
    Gasmuli and later the latin handgunners via the mercheants guild(as from italian merch famillies)....etc
    There are moments (in history), in which a nation owes,
    if it wants to be considered as a great one, to be able to fight.
    Even without hope of winning. Just because it has to.
    Greek War motto.
    XXI Armored Brigade. Proud that served in that unit in 1996!
    "Spartans do not ask how many (enemies are) but where they are"!
    XXI Armored Brigade's motto.
    The Greek Secret (or why they will fight again if it will be necessary or why they do not sell their history).


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    oh, good.
    we will use the akontistai as low level troops in ranges, maybe we keep the vanilla peasants as paroikoi.
    we wont use merc guilds, we will add latinikoi etc to the regional merc pool, varagians to the royal baracks.
    gasmouloi will be recruitable by city barracks, but require market+port.

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    Just a notice...Almost all the units have armor upgrades according to their status...
    Other have no armor upgrade simply becouse they could nor afford an armor(acontistae)or they allready had the best possible armor available(Athanati,Scholarii and Spatharii tou Vasileos becouse they had the imperial armoury in their disposal)....
    There are moments (in history), in which a nation owes,
    if it wants to be considered as a great one, to be able to fight.
    Even without hope of winning. Just because it has to.
    Greek War motto.
    XXI Armored Brigade. Proud that served in that unit in 1996!
    "Spartans do not ask how many (enemies are) but where they are"!
    XXI Armored Brigade's motto.
    The Greek Secret (or why they will fight again if it will be necessary or why they do not sell their history).


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    Quote Originally Posted by HannibalExMachina View Post
    oh, good.
    we will use the akontistai as low level troops in ranges, maybe we keep the vanilla peasants as paroikoi.
    we wont use merc guilds, we will add latinikoi etc to the regional merc pool, varagians to the royal baracks.
    gasmouloi will be recruitable by city barracks, but require market+port.
    Castrophilakae can be the heavy millitia or better be reqruitable by the city's administration building and Archontopuli by the large city one!
    There are moments (in history), in which a nation owes,
    if it wants to be considered as a great one, to be able to fight.
    Even without hope of winning. Just because it has to.
    Greek War motto.
    XXI Armored Brigade. Proud that served in that unit in 1996!
    "Spartans do not ask how many (enemies are) but where they are"!
    XXI Armored Brigade's motto.
    The Greek Secret (or why they will fight again if it will be necessary or why they do not sell their history).


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    yep, our kastros will be available in the townhall, the archons in the imperial stables (to give them more purpose).

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthoniusII View Post
    If you try to make a feudal scale in byz troops...things go comlicated...
    Someone could easily say that byz lancers and scutati could be like the mounted sergeants and sergeants of europe...:hmmm:
    But we seam to forget that Acritae were proffetionals also...
    Maybe acritae like sergeants and scutati like men at arms or heavy sergeants...:hmmm:
    Same with the mounted units...

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    Situation: One of the biggest beefs with M2TW is that the cool units only become existant after a lot of turns. This is unhistorical. It bothers me that the good units (like Varagian Guard) only become available later in the campaign (like 1200s or later) but were available to the actual Byzantine Empire since the 9th Century.

    Question 1: Is this going to be addressed when making the mod?




    Queston 2: Are the vanilla axes staying? Or are new ones being created?


    Everything in the Previews LOOKS AMAZING!!!!!

    Thanks,
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    1:Starting units in Constantinople...
    2 Scholae units,1 Spatharii tou Vasileos and 1 Varangian guard...
    We want to start like this becouse even those units are ellite(and the game's machine does not allow us to have them quite early),will will show the capital's army to the Emperor's dispossal!
    That way the player will have access even to late and seremonial units in order of realism...

    2:In order to speed up the release we will add new weapons of ours in time...
    We wont forget that issue!!!!

    Thank you for your kind words!
    There are moments (in history), in which a nation owes,
    if it wants to be considered as a great one, to be able to fight.
    Even without hope of winning. Just because it has to.
    Greek War motto.
    XXI Armored Brigade. Proud that served in that unit in 1996!
    "Spartans do not ask how many (enemies are) but where they are"!
    XXI Armored Brigade's motto.
    The Greek Secret (or why they will fight again if it will be necessary or why they do not sell their history).


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    Ok, then if only certain elite units are available in Constantinople, then what do the rest of the provinces offer?

    Just basic units? Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebat11 View Post
    Ok, then if only certain elite units are available in Constantinople, then what do the rest of the provinces offer?

    Just basic units? Thanks,
    Sorry i said that in order a player must not wait 50 turns to have access to units he might not see(if he ends the game fast) we will provide him with some ellite units that real existed mainly in the capital's armies...
    Cities will provide millitias(even noble ones)and the official merc units and the pallace guards..
    Castles will provide the standard army units plus the famous landowners(Pronoiarii)...
    There are moments (in history), in which a nation owes,
    if it wants to be considered as a great one, to be able to fight.
    Even without hope of winning. Just because it has to.
    Greek War motto.
    XXI Armored Brigade. Proud that served in that unit in 1996!
    "Spartans do not ask how many (enemies are) but where they are"!
    XXI Armored Brigade's motto.
    The Greek Secret (or why they will fight again if it will be necessary or why they do not sell their history).


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