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    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/...ook/index.html

    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The spokesman who defended President Bush's policies through Hurricane Katrina and the early years of the Iraq war is now blasting his former employers, saying the Bush administration became mired in propaganda and political spin and at times played loose with the truth.


    Former White House spokesman Scott McClellan blasts President Bush and advisers in a new book.

    In excerpts from a 341-page book to be released Monday, Scott McClellan writes on Iraq that Bush "and his advisers confused the propaganda campaign with the high level of candor and honesty so fundamentally needed to build and then sustain public support during a time of war."

    "[I]n this regard, he was terribly ill-served by his top advisers, especially those involved directly in national security," McClellan wrote.

    McClellan also sharply criticizes the administration on its handling of Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath.

    "One of the worst disasters in our nation's history became one of the biggest disasters in Bush's presidency," he wrote. "Katrina and the botched federal response to it would largely come to define Bush's second term."

    Bush spokeswoman Dana Perino said the White House would not comment Tuesday because they haven't seen the book.

    Frances Townsend, former Homeland Security adviser to Bush, said advisers to the president should speak up when they have policy concerns.

    "Scott never did that on any of these issues as best I can remember or as best as I know from any of my White House colleagues," said Townsend, now a CNN contributor. "For him to do this now strikes me as self-serving, disingenuous and unprofessional."

    Fox News contributor and former White House adviser Karl Rove said on that network Tuesday that the excerpts from the book he's read sound more like they were written by a "left-wing blogger" than his former colleague.

    In a brief phone conversation with CNN Tuesday evening, McClellan made clear that he stands behind the accuracy of his book. McClellan said he cannot give on-the-record quotes yet because of an agreement with his publisher. Watch further details emerge from McClellan's book »

    Early in the book, which CNN obtained late Tuesday, McClellan wrote that he believes he told untruths on Bush's behalf in the case of CIA agent Valerie Plame, whose identity was leaked to the media.

    Rove and fellow White House advisers Elliot Abrams and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby were accused of leaking the name of Plame -- whose husband, former U.S. ambassador Joseph Wilson, had gone public with charges the Bush administration had "twisted" facts to justify the war in Iraq.

    Libby was convicted last year of lying to a grand jury and federal agents investigating the leak. Bush commuted his 30-month prison term, calling it excessive. At the time, McClellan called the three "good individuals" and said he spoke to them before telling reporters they were not involved.

    "I had allowed myself to be deceived into unknowingly passing along a falsehood," he wrote. "It would ultimately prove fatal to my ability to serve the president effectively."

    McClellan wrote he didn't realize what he said was untrue until reporters began digging up details of the case almost two years later.

    A former spokesman for Bush when he was governor of Texas, McClellan was named White House press secretary in 2003, replacing Ari Fleischer. McClellan had previously been a deputy press secretary and was the traveling spokesman for the Bush campaign during the 2000 election.


    He announced he was resigning in April 2006 at a news conference with Bush.

    "One of these days, he and I are going to be rocking in chairs in Texas talking about the good old days of his time as the press secretary," Bush said at that conference. "And I can assure you, I will feel the same way then that I feel now, that I can say to Scott, job well done."

    And how the hell does McClellan stay there for that long?

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    I knew it!

    Well of course he used propaganda, almost every president, Rep or Dem, uses propaganda. If your policies aren't well liked, your term isn't going to have had much of an effect, is it?

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    Default Ex-aide Scott McClellan says Bush misled the U.S. on war

    WASHINGTON — Former White House press secretary Scott McClellan writes in a memoir that the Iraq war was sold to the American people with a sophisticated "political propaganda campaign" led by President Bush and aimed at "manipulating sources of public opinion" and "downplaying the major reason for going to war."

    McClellan, 40, includes the charges in his book, "What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington's Culture of Deception," that delivers a harsh look at the White House and the man he served for close to a decade. He describes Bush as demonstrating a "lack of inquisitiveness," says the White House operated in "permanent campaign" mode and says he was deceived by some in the president's inner circle about the leak of a CIA operative's name.

    He accuses former White House adviser Karl Rove of misleading him about his role in the CIA case. He describes Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice as being deft at deflecting blame and calls Vice President Dick Cheney "the magic man" who steered policy behind the scenes.

    McClellan, who was a tight-lipped defender of administration aides and policy, stops short of saying Bush purposely lied about his reasons for invading Iraq, writing that he and his subordinates were not "employing out-and-out deception" to make their case for war.

    But in one chapter, "Selling the War," he alleges that the administration repeatedly shaded the truth and that Bush "managed the crisis in a way that almost guaranteed that the use of force would become the only feasible option."

    more here.

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    Default Re: Ex-aide Scott McClellan says Bush misled the U.S. on war

    So basically he admits he spent 3 years lying and now is only coming out because he wants to sell a book. A book that no one would buy unless there was some drama and controversy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joker85 View Post
    So basically he admits he spent 3 years lying and now is only coming out because he wants to sell a book. A book that no one would buy unless there was some drama and controversy.
    This guy is one of the closest "buddies" of Bush. Well, everyone pretty much knows about the whole deal, without his book (ok that 10% something that still supports him, they won't budge ever) , but anyway, I'm sure his book will be a bestseller, since the commercial is out there.

    You can also just say that sometimes restating the obvious is always necessary. There is a quote like that from someone.

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    Never mind the content, eh, Joker?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Never mind the content, eh, Joker?
    I have trouble taking a seriously a guy who says "I spent 3 years lying my ass off, but believe me now that I have money at stake".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joker85 View Post
    I have trouble taking a seriously a guy who says "I spent 3 years lying my ass off, but believe me now that I have money at stake".
    Or is it that it is against your favoured political side?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Or is it that it is against your favoured political side?
    No.

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    Good to have yet another reputable source for the manifest crimes of the Bush Admin (Worst President in Modern Times).

    I think the Outing of CIA Agent Valerie Pame stands out for me as the height of malfescence as it was not only wrong in itself but also done for shabby political purposes of revenge against Joe Wilson, a man Bush Snr described as an American Hero for his work during the first Gulf War.

    Bush and Rove deliberately blew the cover of a CIA operative involved in investigating WMD in the Middle East. She posed as an energy consultant and travelled extensively in the ME, had an address book a mile long and was a real, genuine intel asset. But hey, Joe Wilson deagrees with BushRove so lets ruin her...... The shame of it! When this occured just think how many intel officers from ME countries started pouring over who she was and who'd she'd visited and when. How many innocent people ended up in little concrete cells brutalised with soldering iron and rubber hose, rape with blunt objects or worse? Maybe some ended up in shallow graves in lonely deserts?

    And all because BushRove are utter utter utter bastards of the first order and were desperate to justify their ME adventure. It was a pity they did not put as much energy into equipping the troops, sending enough or having any kind of a plan to actually succeed in Iraq post invasion.

    Am sure that fat fool Limbaugh will be along any moment to defend this.....what an imbecile that chap is (Real Rush 'I'll be an apologist for Abu Ghraib' Rush, why do you want America to fail in Iraq? Answer - because you have no intelligence or idea how to win a counter insurgency war....hugh sigh)
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    Default Re: Ex-aide Scott McClellan says Bush misled the U.S. on war

    No, silly me.

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    Default Re: Ex-aide Scott McClellan says Bush misled the U.S. on war

    Joker,

    It is interesting how all those ex-inner-circle 'liars' that come out against Bush manage to get their stories perfectly in sync. It is very hard to concoct a lie an synchronize it with tons of other people without everyone contradicting eachother. It is far easier to tell the truth, because there's only one version of it.

    Ever thought about that?

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    Carl Rove was on last night and said the guy is basically full of it. And he pretty much proved it.
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    What? There are people who still believe the US invaded Iraq to "free" the place?
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    Mostly Iraqis
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    That's why there's so much resistance there .
    "Romans not only easily conquered those who fought by cutting, but mocked them too. For the cut, even delivered with force, frequently does not kill, when the vital parts are protected by equipment and bone. On the contrary, a point brought to bear is fatal at two inches; for it is necessary that whatever vital parts it penetrates, it is immersed. Next, when a cut is delivered, the right arm and flank are exposed. However, the point is delivered with the cover of the body and wounds the enemy before he sees it."

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    Different sects of Islam always fight. Look I dont think we should have gone there. I could give 2 craps whether the Iraqis are free or not. Many Iraqis however are damn glad we are there and thats a fact you and I cannot deny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush Limbaugh View Post
    Mostly Iraqis
    Oh, how noble. Not entirely sure that is correct, though.

    I think the sheer amount of oil under those sands had something to do with it. Oh, and surrounding Iran might have been factored into the equation too.

    To imagine this was a humanitarian effort is naive on a breath taking scale.

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    Oh, how noble. Not entirely sure that is correct, though.
    Read my next post

    Look I dont think we should have gone there. I could give 2 craps whether the Iraqis are free or not
    Noble indeed.
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