OH MY GOD HELP ME! FROM MONGOLS

[brandond]

OK the story so far is that i played the Holy Roman empire and have taken the whole world by turn 120, pretty much but there is a massive problem near Russia/Hungary there is a massive Mongol hoard. Ive played before and beaten the Mongols but this time for some reason there are 21 stacks (yes i counted near a rebel city in western Russian ( where Russia would be in real life) any way it looks like they wanted to take the rebel city but for some reason they did not know how so they just standed there till they came across my army then they declared war now i have 21 stacks of Mongols to fight and my Russian front is very weak. i know that if i can't contain them they will break thought to northern Italy and my Homeland were most of my resource come from. So Finlay i need some way of stooping them i have seen many forums on them but not for there kind of numbers they have right now, when they attacked my first city the had 4560 guys against me and I'm playing with small unit scale. please help me i really don't want to be taken over, i need a stead fast strategy to defeat 21 stacks with outdated men and low defense structures, Thanks ( i would send i jpg if i knew how)

[Elvani]

First, try to check your posts for spelling before posting, some people will flame you for that, so I had to jump in first.

With mongols, the key is light cavalry to get their most annoying units: their horse archers. If you can kill them, you should have no problem with their heavy cavalry.

[stoma]

First, try to check your posts for spelling before posting, some people will falme you for that, so I had to jump in first.

You too buddy.

Just get some armies up there dude. Night fighting is key then you can take them on one at a time.

[Elvani]

You too buddy.

Just get some armies up there dude. Night fighting is key then you can take them on one at a time.

Oh, I jumped into that one. IT was only one tiny mistake.

I feel like such an idiot now. anyway, it is edited.

[L Lawliet]

First, try to check your posts for spelling before posting, some people will falme you for that, so I had to jump in first.

With mongols, the key is light cavalry to get their most annoying units: their horse archers. If you can kill them, you should have no problem with their heavy cavalry.

He's right with light cavalry but you can also let them besiege your city and take advantage of that, especially if you have balista or cannon towers. The archers will have an elevation advantage. The towers will also do most of the work for you.

[boerekovic]

your russian front is very weak? you remind me of someone...
As HRE, use Reiters if you have them

[Sher Khan]

Moved to Battle Planning.

[dr_guerra]

First, assassinate their family members and generals, leave the heir and faction leader alone. Get your best Generals, high command and high chivalry is best against the mongols. Make sure they have nightfighting. Attack the armies one by one.

As the HRE, use A LOT of pavise crossbowmen, serpentine artillery if you have access to it. Build armoured sergeants or pikemen to defend your crossbowmen from any charges. Get lots of mercenary alan light cavalry to chase down their units, and any other light cavalry you can find, mounted sergeants are alright, but not quite fast enough. Get some heavy cavalry to take out their archers and infantry after you've butchered their horse archers.

If you are defending against them in a siege, get pikemen. Lots of them. Get the swiss pike mercenaries if you can, if not, just use pike militia. Get your best heavy infantry, swordsmen and such on top of the walls, and they should butcher anything the mongols send, since their infantry is garbage. Guard those gates and wall breaches well. Put your pikes in guard mode facing the opening so all the cavalry that charges dies horribly.

Upgrade your armour, especially for the pavise crossbowmen. They can kill off most of the weaker horse archers and can take a pounding.

Just try to kill the armies one at a time using night fighting, and assassinate their generals. It should work, even with 40 full stacks. Just pump out as many troops as you can. Pavise crossbows to kill their cavalry, light cavalry to chase them off, heavy infantry to protect walls, pikes to protect gates, and spearmen (like armoured sgts) to protect archers and support pikemen. Then heavy cavalry just in case you need some extra umph. Oh and artillery is good.

[RollingWave]

if you have that much money, just mass Rieter and mounted X-bows for the win... throw in about 2-4 stacks of knights (anything better than mail will do) and beat them in their own game. mass high level artillery is also very effective. just protect them with your own cavs. forget about infantry,

the Mongol's seige is fairly weak. so just mass pike / archer / any sort of decent infantry on your settlements upfront and play a war of attrition with them, you might lose a couple of settlements eventrually but should dwindle them down enough. just hold them off for awhile and reinforce / rebuild big armies from the rest of your empire.

I also find just about any sort of gunner / musket at the gate or the ally in cities in general is pretty sick. they'll always hit something, and the moral penalty is pretty ugly

[Sodbuster]

The Mongols are easy. Just wait until the Timurids show up

When the Mongols first showed up I had just taken over Jerusalem and the surrounding territories following a successful crusade. They routinely came at Jerusalem with 2 or more full stacks, so I had no need to fight them in the field where they're strongest.

My advice to you against their 21 stacks is to get an army with some pikes and a ton of pavise xbows and serpentines (or whatever siege you like), park them on a bridge, and just let them crush their armies against it. Keep reinforcements coming in to replace the guys you lose, and you'll be able to hold against all their stacks.

[Ambiorix_thijs]

jsut let them siege you and sally forth. HAve archers or Xbow on the walls. Put your pikes before and after your gate in shiltrom. Your archers and towers will kill everything. The pikeman infront lures the Heavy cavs into close range, and they run on your defense. Plus the generals keep fighting till they are death.
easy win vs mongols when they siege;

[The Noble Lord]

Hi,


When it comes to Mongols, try to engage them in the cities and castles. If you have to, in mountain passes as well. Dont ever meet them on the open field.
And probably the key is your light cavarly. Just go after their archers with no mercy. Again and again.
Assasins are good thing when dealing against the Mongols.

CHEERS

[drakuli]

Against Mongol, you better get a lot of cavalry, I mean A LOT. Especially if you only have inexperienced units.

First maybe you need to go to defensive tactic. Like others said, get a lot of pike / spear units in front of the gate. Archers, and some spear / knights to help defend the wall.

The best is when you have your infantry unit in the castle and you put your cavalry outside of castle. They will try to charge into the castle and you can move your cavalry to their flank. Swiftly kill their foot archers, but spare their cavalry first as inexperienced cavalry is no match against theirs. After your spearmen reduce the number of their cavalry, charge in with your cavalry.

And after several battles, you will have enough experienced cavalry to begin your offensive move against them. Your cavalry should mainly consist of light cavalry (to chase their cavalry archer) and some heavy cavalry to ward off their lancers.

[Gaarmstrong3118]

i had a similar situation when i play the english i had about 48 provinces (i changed the victory conditions since i could take the 45 very easily) and the mongols invaded and they had about 13full stacks, i just amassed a huge set of armies and let them desige my citadel in northern Germany. i then put all my armies around the back of their forces and fought them in open battle. my forces 7,700 armoured swordsmen, 4,000 knights templar, 800 longbowman, 4,500 pikemen, he had 24,000 men in total of variing classes from horse to men to 3 monster bombbard. i did a real time battle and it lasted 8 hours in real world, i lost 1,500 men 400 swordsmen 500 knight templar 200 longbowman 400 pikemen. he lost everything as i made it so he could not excape. btw i had 7 allied arimes on the field and he had all his troops, and before you ask my pc could handle it

[thatguy]

i had a similar situation when i play the english i had about 48 provinces (i changed the victory conditions since i could take the 45 very easily) and the mongols invaded and they had about 13full stacks, i just amassed a huge set of armies and let them desige my citadel in northern Germany. i then put all my armies around the back of their forces and fought them in open battle. my forces 7,700 armoured swordsmen, 4,000 knights templar, 800 longbowman, 4,500 pikemen, he had 24,000 men in total of variing classes from horse to men to 3 monster bombbard. i did a real time battle and it lasted 8 hours in real world, i lost 1,500 men 400 swordsmen 500 knight templar 200 longbowman 400 pikemen. he lost everything as i made it so he could not excape. btw i had 7 allied arimes on the field and he had all his troops, and before you ask my pc could handle it

I want your pc.
But 8 FRIGGIN hours? holy hell

[Gaarmstrong3118]

my pc is quad core 3.2ghz processor (overclocked)
2x 8800gtx graphics card
3tb of hdd space
4gb or ram
oh and 2 22inch moniters. but any who i had 7 ai generals commend the rest but they had very good tactics!

[The Count(er)]

i had a similar situation when i play the English i had about 48 provinces (i changed the victory conditions since i could take the 45 very easily) and the Mongols invaded and they had about 13full stacks, i just amassed a huge set of armies and let them besiege my citadel in northern Germany. i then put all my armies around the back of their forces and fought them in open battle. my forces 7,700 armoured swordsmen, 4,000 knights templar, 800 longbowman, 4,500 pikemen, he had 24,000 men in total of varying classes from horse to men to 3 monster bombard. i did a real time battle and it lasted 8 hours in real world, i lost 1,500 men 400 swordsmen 500 knight templar 200 longbowmen 400 pikemen. he lost everything as i made it so he could not escape. btw i had 7 allied armies on the field and he had all his troops, and before you ask my pc could handle it

24,000 troops+enemy army and your computer could handle it did god make your computer or something

[drakuli]

^
how you get to play so many units? you command them by yourself without AI help?

I thought you can only handle limited units at one time.

[Viking Prince]

You need to provide screen shots and an after action report next time you do this. Sounds cool. My "wittle bitty" laptop has neither the power nor the cooling fan to take this on.

[clandestino]

It took me about 60-70 years to repel the Mongols in my current game, they introduced about 12-13 stacks in 3 ways and I fighted every battle by myself,but I think it didn't take me 8 hours all together for that battles.