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    VIENNA, Austria - Iran may be withholding information needed to establish whether it tried to make nuclear arms, the International Atomic Energy said Monday in an unusually strongly worded report.

    The tone of the language suggesting that Tehran continues to stonewall the agency — the U.N. nuclear monitor — revealed a glimpse of the frustration felt by IAEA investigators stymied in their attempts to gain full answers to suspicious aspects of Iran's past nuclear activities.

    Iran has described its cooperation with the IAEA probe of its alleged nuclear weapons experiments as positive, suggesting it was providing information requested by agency officials. Indirectly disagreeing, the agency also said that Iran continued to deny such activities, dismissing evidence to the contrary submitted for its perusal as misleading or false.

    The findings were part of a restricted agency report forwarded to the U.N. Security Council and to the 35 board members of the International Atomic Energy Agency that was obtained by The Associated Press.

    The nine-page report also noted that Tehran remains defiant of U.N. Security Council demands to stop uranium enrichment.

    Shrugging off three sets of council sanctions, it had instead expanded its operational centrifuges — machines that churn out enriched uranium by about 500 since the last IAEA report in February, said the report.

    In announcing major progress in Iran's push for nuclear power, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said last month that Iranian scientists were putting 6,000 new uranium enriching centrifuges into place and testing a new type that works five times faster.

    The report noted that Iran now had only 3,500 centrifuges and specified that the few advanced machines actually running were only in a testing phase.

    Uranium can be used as nuclear fuel or as the fissile core of warheads, depending on the degree of enrichment. Iran insists it has a right to the activity under the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and says it want only to generate power.

    But addressing whether Iran was complying with agency requests, the report said that "Iran has not provided the Agency with all the information, access to documents and access to individuals necessary to support Iran's statements" that its activities were purely peaceful in intent.

    "The Agency is of the view that Iran may have additional information, in particular on high explosives testing and missile related activities which ... Iran should share with the agency," said the report. It was referring to two alleged sets of tests that agency officials say could be linked to a nuclear program.

    Iran already rejected evidence provided by the U.S and other IAEA board members on alleged weapons programs in February, but then promised to revisit the issue ahead of the agency's next board meeting in a week.

    Its nuclear programs have been under IAEA investigation since 2003, after a dissident group revealed the existence of a clandestine enrichment program.

    A senior U.S. envoy suggested the report was a strong indictment of Iran's defiance of the international community's efforts to seek answers about trouble parts of its nuclear program, noting it "details a long list of questions that Iran has failed to answer."

    "At the same time that Iran is stonewalling its inspectors, it's moving forward in developing its enrichment capability in violation of security council resolution," Gregory L. Schulte, the chief U.S. delegate to the IAEA told the AP. He described parts of the report as a "direct rebuttal" of Iranian claims that all nuclear questions had been answered.

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    VIENNA, Austria - Iran may be withholding information needed to establish whether it tried to make nuclear arms, the International Atomic Energy said Monday in an unusually strongly worded report.
    Interesting indeed ...

    Anyway, I personally think Iran is probably developing nuclear weapons and I wish them luck.


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    Default Re: Iran holding back nuclear weapons details says IAEA

    Again it's a maybe and not definite proof although the US seems to have already made up it's mind about the IAEA report.

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    I'll repeat it again, if the US and Israel are allowed to have nuclear weapons, then so is Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erebus26
    Again it's a maybe and not definite proof although the US seems to have already made up it's mind about the IAEA report.
    It's not exactly alone in it's mindset. France, Germany, and your own country (among others) are all in agreement as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by killerxguy
    I'll repeat it again, if the US and Israel are allowed to have nuclear weapons, then so is Iran.
    Repeating it over and over again won't serve to make it anymore true.

    Iran is party to the restrictions on the spread of nuclear weapons technology as they are stated in the NPT. By seeking to mislead the IAEA they do nothing but undermine their increasingly stodgy argument that their nuclear program is for peaceful purposes only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caelius View Post
    It's not exactly alone in it's mindset. France, Germany, and your own country (among others) are all in agreement as well.
    Doesn't matter because there is still no definite proof that they're are developing nuclear weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killerxguy View Post
    I'll repeat it again, if the US and Israel are allowed to have nuclear weapons, then so is Iran.
    No, that really isnt how the world works.

    Isnt suprising...

    Quote Originally Posted by Erebus26 View Post
    Doesn't matter because there is still no definite proof that they're are developing nuclear weapons.
    if they arent why can they not be open with what they are doing?

    They have trumpeted nuclear weaponry as a way into the big nations club repeatedly, aquiring weaponry capable of carrying nuclear salvoes.. it all points in one direction. One which needs to be stopped immediately, people need to learn from ing history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carach View Post

    if they arent why can they not be open with what they are doing?

    They have trumpeted nuclear weaponry as a way into the big nations club repeatedly, aquiring weaponry capable of carrying nuclear salvoes.. it all points in one direction. One which needs to be stopped immediately, people need to learn from ing history.
    So how do you propose stopping them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erebus26 View Post
    So how do you propose stopping them?
    The only way possible (they dont want to stop via negotiations so take a guess at what im supporting)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carach View Post
    The only way possible (they dont want to stop via negotiations so take a guess at what im supporting)
    I dare the Great Britain to go to war against Republic of Iran 1 vs 1.


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    Quote Originally Posted by killerxguy View Post
    I'll repeat it again, if the US and Israel are allowed to have nuclear weapons, then so is Iran.
    Not if you keep saying that Israel should not exist and that the holocaust did not happen.

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    Default Re: Iran holding back nuclear weapons details says IAEA

    I would be less passionate on this issue if Iran was a secular, responsible state.

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    Iran are doing their job, and even UN can`t just stop them, at least this is how it looks like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Warmonger View Post
    I would be less passionate on this issue if Iran was a secular, responsible state.
    What is a responsible state?


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    Default Re: Iran holding back nuclear weapons details says IAEA

    Misleading thread title. Iran may be withholding information. I wouldn't be surprised if they were, mind you, but the OP could at least get thread titles right.
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    It's no big deal, Barack Obama will fix everything.
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    Who cares? Half of the world (US, Israel, UK, France, Russia, India and pretty much all NATO countries) have the ability to get nukes or already have them. The main point is what Iran would do with them. It seems highly unlikely that they would attack anyone. Eveything about Iran is based on assumptions. Assumptions that they will produce uranium at all. Assumptions that they will use it to create nukes. Assumptions that they will nuke someone despite having self-sufficiency and solitarity as traditions and national mottos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer View Post
    Eveything about Iran is based on assumptions. Assumptions that they will produce uranium at all. Assumptions that they will use it to create nukes. Assumptions that they will nuke someone despite having self-sufficiency and solitarity as traditions and national mottos.

    You mine uranium, then you enrich it. Iran has around 10 large scale uranium mines, none of which are home to what would be considered, 'rich uranium'. We know that because we have done covert airborne surveying with the help of dissident groups operating within Iran. We know the overall consistency and makeup of the uranium they mine.

    Combine that with the surveying we have done at nuclear facilities, and its clear that there is in fact enrichment taking place, back to around 2005, or possibly before that.

    Iran isnt going to launch a nuclear tipped missile at anyone, but they might provide nuclear material, of all kinds, to groups that would use it. This could simply be in the form of waste, or by product, not actually enriched uranium, or a small yield bomb itself.

    If Iran could be guaranteed anonymity, there is no reason to think they would not.

    Thats not based on loose assumption, its based on what comes out of Ahmadinejad's mouth. They probably should just but a gag in their Presidents mouth and save themselves the headache. Its difficult to make a case that your nuclear program is for energy purposes when the face of your country has stated that a certain country should, and god willing will be someday wiped off the face of the planet.
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    Carach, I don't think another war against a far greater enemy is even possible with our current military.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun View Post
    Carach, I don't think another war against a far greater enemy is even possible with our current military.
    that being the problem unfortunately.

    But another war like iraq/afghanistan isnt necessary.

    The first desert storm was good enough, such a thing needs to be replicated (or, with new bunkerbusting technologies being developed, mere airstrikes should potentially do the job just as well).

    People will say flying into iranian airspace is suicide, but then i would ask u to look at the relatively recent israeli airstrikes on syrian nuclear facilities They use the same air defence systems (that the russians trumpeted as un-jammable rofl).

    I also believe that the invasion of iraq was more to do with putting iran in an almost-vice like position as to limit their power (rather than this democracy bs.. no offence but the US isnt really concerned with democracy in areas such as this.. Their foreign policy has actually been against such a thing for quite some time), unfortunately things in iraq didnt go the way it was planned and as such the situation has kind of backfired on the Americans..
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