Suggestion for a law in Israel

[roy34543]

This is going to be controvorsial I think.
I think i would propose a law that would cause any people in Israel who immigrated from nearby (arab)countries and have not served 6 generations(fine yes this is too long) down into the army(or volunteering), to only be able to vote up to 45% of the representation in the goverment. (that is, if say you came from syria, you would have to serve in the army(or volunteering for social work), your son would have to , down to the sixth generation, And then they count as any other citizen would)any votes above 45% would be scaled down to that number.
Yes I know what people will say that this is blatantly undemocratic . But hear me out . I thnik this will serve the palestenian people well too.
First , and most important. There is never the fear that palestenians outvote Israelis , by six generations most of them will have integrated . That is, No purges or kicking people out to keep the majority. no matter what the jewish side holds the majority of representation. But not enough to change the constitution (which by the way, Doesnt exist in Israel) and it doesnt neccasarily end in a 45% block vs a 55% one. If a palestenian party is good for all it will recieve jewish votes as well. and vica versa
Second: Way more palestenian refugees can be brought in because of this law.
Three: the chances of the situation actually becoming like this are marginal, the effect is mostly psychological
Four: some people deny the Israel is democratic anyway, So if they are right there is no change anyway.
five: Citizenship will be easier to gain. Illegal immigrants can get cracked down on less.
six: You get rid of the people recieving the benefits of Israeli society while still being nationalistically palestenian. Ending a long and idiotic rift in israeli society. I believe there is no penalty to walking into the gaza strip after all (coming back out may be hard)
seven: People fear , and therefore hate the palestenians less. True there will be some jerks who view them as inferior due to this law. But they exist anyway. Most people who are afraid of them will simply ignore them instead of starting a fight.
Eight: Arab countries can scrap the tactic of adding people there. If it doesnt work then they will perhaps finally submit to Israels will. which in my opinion is a far better step to peace then the other way around.

I wonder what people think of this?

[MathiasOfAthens]

Well first off no one is democratic so just throw that into critis faces.
Anyway I like your proposal it does have good talking points but anyway I think Israel should adopt the Byzantine model and strive to incorporate the Palestines into Israeli culture through education and language and through law. The Byzantines were quick to assimilate minority ethnic groups and nations such as the Bulgars and the Avars and the Serbs who had invaded the Balkans.
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[Heinz Guderian]

So basically stop the "Orthodox" Jews (i know some dont like the label orthodox) and Arabs from having a vote?

I'm guessing you're a Likud man?

[Aziel]

So basically stop the "Orthodox" Jews (i know some dont like the label orthodox) and Arabs from having a vote?

I'm guessing you're a Likud man?

Since when the Likud is racist or anti-cleric?

[Каие]

If you want to piss on your perfect democracy, then yes. otherwise, no.

[whhyy]

Democracy is a gift to the universe!!!

[Icefrisco]

Its actually a decent proposal but I think 6 generations is too excessive. Maybe 3 or 4. In America most people are only the 3rd or 4th generation and we have already been completely assimilated.

[Quink.NL]

6 generations??? That's idiotic. I wonder if the TS realizes how much time 6 generations encompasses... Most people don't even know anybody 3 or 4 generations back, let alone 6.

When I go back 6 generations, I'll end up in the Dutch Republic, before the French Revolution, and the 13 colonies still dependent on England...

[Erik]

I think it would be a great law.
Democracy is overrated anyways, peace and liberty are far more important.

Roy, you are hereby nominated for a Nobel peace price.

[Rush Limbaugh]

There is never the fear that palestenians outvote Israelis , by six generations most of them will have integrated .

More likely undermined it.

[roy34543]

Well yeah 6 generations may be excessive. Anyway who said this would stop orthodox jews from voting? I did say that you can volunteer for social work, and most of them already do that. Some arabs do as well.
And yes i would far rather have happiness then democracy . But i guess its all relative. Remember that every law can be overturned in time so its not like it would have to be permenant.

[Каие]

6 generations is 300 years....I don;t think Israel will last that long,

[whhyy]

[Каие]

No seriously barley any countries have lasted that long especially with Israels current status and the inevitable wide use of Nuclear weapons...plus almost certain Space Exploration.

[roy34543]

Six generations is 300 years? then youd have people having kids at 50? I dont think many women go past the 48 mark. But yeah i guess its a bit excessive. Well if nuclear weapons start getting used Israel wont be the last to suffer to say the least. Probably not the first either. But space exploration? Unless theres a huge turning point in technology we still have a long time to go. maybe by the end fo 300 years.
Anyway , I think its far more likely that the countries near Israel will be long gone. Or in a very very different and unstable form.

[persianfan247]

6 generations is more like 100-150 years having three to five generations in a centry, rather it should be 2-3 generations which would be about 50 years, though I don't necessarily agree with the idea in the first place.

[Каие]

Six generations is 300 years? then youd have people having kids at 50? I dont think many women go past the 48 mark. But yeah i guess its a bit excessive. Well if nuclear weapons start getting used Israel wont be the last to suffer to say the least. Probably not the first either. But space exploration? Unless theres a huge turning point in technology we still have a long time to go. maybe by the end fo 300 years.
Anyway , I think its far more likely that the countries near Israel will be long gone. Or in a very very different and unstable form.

Well i think we'd count a generation as once the child grows up as opposed to as soon as its born. But still thats a long looong time. How many times has israels borders changed in 60 years, compared to how many times the worlds borders have changed over the past 150 years?

Its quite a law idea too.

[Aziel]

I agree with ЯoMe kb8, I believe Israel wouldn't last more 150 years as most of the nations in the world wouldn't.

[roy34543]

Fine weve agreed that 6 generations is too long . Any other objections? I dont see where people get the idea this stops them voting. It just means that a sudden influx of new palestenian immigrants will not be able to outvote the jews until theres a large established community of them.

[LSJ]

Firstly, even if almost all the non-Jewish Palestinians from the surrounding countries migrated to Israel or were incorporated, they would still be a minority population next to the Jews.

Secondly, a law that discriminates based on ethnicity is a horrid thing for Israel - a state created from the legacy of Hitler's epicly discriminatory state - to consider implementing.

Thirdly, I don't see how this would fix the problem of many Palestinians wanting their own state (even if they would do better as Israeli citizens; and I think they would, based on the region's history. But still, many don't seem to want that)