obama's change

[craziii]

what does he plan to change? what are the changes? he kept on going on n on about change, but what? I honestly never hear anything in his speeches. anyone can point me to a source that list the changes he advocates?

OT: anyone else think the democratic primary is the presidential race it self? does McCain even stand a chance? if he sticks with bush, it will ruin him.

PS: I hate all 3 candidates.

[Emperor Taizu]

There is already a thread on this, and you might find the answer to your question in one of the seven pages. Here is the link:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...ama%27s+Change

[Lysander13]

You are aware of course there is a website where you can read his stated positions?
Cleverly enough it's called....
http://www.barackobama.com/

[craziii]

lysander, thx for the link.

[Icefrisco]

what does he plan to change? what are the changes? he kept on going on n on about change, but what? I honestly never hear anything in his speeches. anyone can point me to a source that list the changes he advocates?

Only Obama knows what his "change" means. Many people have different views on his change but Obama has left change vague so we can all have our different versions of it. Therefore his change means whatever you want it to. If you want change in Iraq you'll get it. If you want change in the economy you'll get it. That's what Obama's change offers.

does McCain even stand a chance?

Yes, he definitely does. McCain is great at getting himself in the news and Obama has enough baggage for McCain to win. However, at this point we can not determine if McCain can win since we don't know what else will be revealed about the candidates. In 1988 Dukakis was favored to win only a few weeks before the election but he ended up losing support within the last few weeks before people voted.

[Каие]

Fresco, call yourself a democrat...tsk tsk.

[Kins]

Hmmm change...

To behonest I think the only change that he will make is the skin color in the White house.

The amount of people voting for Obama though has made me wonder if people actually read the policies that he wants to put through and if they read them, do they understand what he wants to do?

I mean really just read what he wants to do and any person with half a brain or elementary school education will see that what he is blowing is hot air.

Which brings us to the nasty thing about hot air, it cools really fast.

[Chaigidel]

thats a really astute observation totally contrary to the facts


obamas support comes from the smartest and best educated people.

[Kins]

thats a really astute observation totally contrary to the facts


obamas support comes from the smartest and best educated people.

the only idiots are voting for mccain and hillary.

Good to know that you know who all votes for Obama.

Generally it is that the most influential people (the rich) vote for the person who will benefit them the most.

Or as you call them the smartest and best educated which is the same by the way, since smart people are educated

Anyway just to take the bait.

Name me one "change" that he wants to make that is not hot air. If you even read his policy that is?

And then I will give you a reason why it is hot air deal? Not that I know anything about economics or politics.


P.S You're quote is wrong. Revelations 9.6 goes like this:

And in those days men shall seek death, and shall in no wise find it; and they shall desire to die, and death fleeth from them.

[Oldgamer]

obamas support comes from the smartest and best educated people.

Not all of us ...

[Chaigidel]

look up the facts man-- college graduates of all incomes support obama

high school graduates support mccain and hillary.( and drop outs)

thus the facts support my position.


and what in the sam **** does my quote have to do with a goddamn thing?

Im not relating the host of positions for you he has a website--thats what it is for, if you wanted to know you would know.

fact is you dont look it up because you enjoy calling his position hot air, but you sir are the only one blowing it

[Kins]

look up the facts man-- college graduates of all incomes support obama

high school graduates support mccain and hillary.( and drop outs)

thus the facts support my position.


and what in the sam **** does my quote have to do with a goddamn thing?

Im not relating the host of positions for you he has a website--thats what it is for, if you wanted to know you would know.

fact is you dont look it up because you enjoy calling his position hot air, but you sir are the only one blowing it

Hmmm, odd since the USA mainly consists out of high school graduates and drop outs you would think Hillary would be leading? Odd...

Either way my dear friend I have one thing to say since you don't want to bring in the fish while it took the bait:

Hollow barrels sound the loudest

Also. Sadly enough I had to read all three poor plans for my world politics class

[Chaigidel]

clever quips will not lessen the facts.

[Icefrisco]

Fresco, call yourself a democrat...tsk tsk.

I can't be a moderate Democrat?

obamas support comes from the smartest and best educated people.

the only idiots are voting for mccain and hillary.

Hillary and McCain won New York state and California which have the two best public education systems in the country. There are not enough idiots in both states for them to have the big victories that they had in both states.

[Rush Limbaugh]

obamas support comes from the smartest and best educated people.

Too bad these days it means the most indoctrinated by the left. The elitists . They know best because they went to college. What a bunch of intellectual snobs. Thats who is for Obama. Even liberals with half a brain can see he offers nothing but words. The people who never did an honest days work in their lives. Again like Obama . Hes one of their boys.

[HorseArcher]

Even liberals with half a brain can see he offers nothing but words.

Is there anyone else offering anything else during a candidacy campaign beside words?

I don't see neither Hillary or McCain coming with bags of money to distribute, neither they can make presidential decisions during this time since they aren't presidents yet.

The people who never did an honest days work in their lives. Again like Obama . Hes one of their boys.

Yeah he did. It called community organizing.

Of course, unless you're looking for someone who either shoveled sh.t in a farm or raked leaves and mow the lawn, but I don't know how that adds to be a useful skill as a president.

[fatsheep]

Only Obama knows what his "change" means. Many people have different views on his change but Obama has left change vague so we can all have our different versions of it. Therefore his change means whatever you want it to. If you want change in Iraq you'll get it. If you want change in the economy you'll get it. That's what Obama's change offers.

I didn't notice this the first time I skipped through... You know it's not that hard to go down to www.barackobama.com and look up what changes he is proposing. Have you read the 64 page document summarizing his policy proposals? Have you watched any of the debates? What he is proposing isn't vague.

Too bad these days it means the most indoctrinated by the left. The elitists . They know best because they went to college. What a bunch of intellectual snobs. Thats who is for Obama. Even liberals with half a brain can see he offers nothing but words. The people who never did an honest days work in their lives. Again like Obama . Hes one of their boys.

You accuse liberals of "class envy". Here you are displaying "education envy". Apparently if you went to college and learned anything you're an indoctrinated liberal snob. As if only liberals are allowed to be professors... Are you really going to demonize education? :hmmm:

[Каие]

I can't be a moderate Democrat?

Democrat left, and Republican right. Democrat progressive, Republican conservative. McCain Bush, Clinton/Obama something else.
Clinton and Obama cannot be differentiated on the issues, so you;re just looking at the guy as opposed to the politics.

Too bad these days it means the most indoctrinated by the left. The elitists . They know best because they went to college. What a bunch of intellectual snobs. Thats who is for Obama. Even liberals with half a brain can see he offers nothing but words. The people who never did an honest days work in their lives. Again like Obama . Hes one of their boys.

The Elite, are left?
that has to be a joke, Elitists are right bastards who feel they are gods chosen ones and are born to lead, born privileged. Going to college doesn't make you elitist it makes you successful.

[Rush Limbaugh]

Going to college doesn't make you elitist it makes you successful.

Baloney. You mean like Bill Gates?

[Каие]

Baloney. You mean like Bill Gates?

What? Yo actually think the definition of an elitist is someone who goes to college to further his career goals?

Im guessing you didn;t go to college.