M2TW INBREEDING ???

[LordCrockett]

I was playing my English Campaign looking at the retinue for a princess in my family, i accidentally clicked on a general which happened to be her cousin, It gave me the option to marry them with a 100% chance of success lol
did anybody know that you could do this with your own family?
Oh i cant wait for this couple to have a child lol I wonder what traits they will have ! !

[Engrish]

Cousin inbreeding isn't anything bad really, and even if you married your own mother, it would take several generations of inbreeding before any bad traits begin to emerge.

[General A. Skywalker]

Yes, very interesting, Adar.

[eggthief]

Yeah its possible, think it gives bad traits tho. Anyway, its mean to do this, would u wanna marry your cousin? I think not, I'd rather get castrated with a rusty saw

[Serious J]

Royals + nobles inbreeding? There's a shocker!

[Ältester der Motten]

It would have been despicable if that was not a possibility.

[LordCrockett]

And when i said own family i meant IN GAME not in real life , just to let you know

[jman47]

this sort of thing was common in the middle ages, thus the disease many royal families had where their blood did not clot when they were cut or something like that, cant remember what its called.

read about it somewhere tho

[eggthief]

hemophillia u mean? like at that russian heir?

[jman47]

yea i think thats what its called. apparently it ran through the bloodlines of european royalty for centuries, due to inbreeding.

[Viking Prince]

Also, remember this is a game. The actual extended royal family started before the game. You have more than a handful of marriagable people not in the game. And yeah, kissing cousins is nothing new.

This is also why the adoption option is in the game. Yeah, they did not formally adopt. But they did sponsor "shoestring" relatives that were promising.

[dr_guerra]

The current English royal family has that problem. Queen Elizabeth in particular has it.

[SlappyBag]

She'd better not get a paper cut or something then.

[Erwin Rommel]

you want real royal inbreeding?

check this guy's family tree



dont check out what he looks like

[locc2]

In the first game you could marry your "own" son with your "own" daughter. Then they got an incest trait if I remember correctly. A shame that is not possible anymore. Why did they take that away? It just ads flavour, which is good!

[Chlodwig I.]

you want real royal inbreeding?

check this guy's family tree



dont check out what he looks like

the only problem in this whole thing is that
his father was the uncle of his mother

anything else is not a problem if you consider that this familytree is going over 200 years



by the way someone here said that the problems of inbreed start later
well thats not true, they start directly even cousins have already a higher risk of
getting mentaly or bodily disabled children
everything in a closer relationship then cousins is not good for having healty children

[Adar]

I got abit technical in the post below so I feel the need to explain some things to the casual reader. Every person carries two sets of DNA in each cell, you get the material for each one from your parents but the DNA will be mixed during the fusion of the sperm and egg so you won't have one "mum DNA string" and one "daddy DNA string" but instead two mixed strings.
Many of our wellknown deadly inheritary diseases are recessive diseases caused by a single faulty gene (like for example hemophilia). This means that if your mother passes on the faulty gene and your dad passes on the normal one will you be able to live your life as a healthy individual becuase one good gene is enough. The reason for this is the most basic example of evolution, if the defective gene was dominant (ie 1 defective = sick individual) would all the carriers of the gene die. This means that to be succesful will the defective gene have to be passed on without any effect until someone mates with another carrier, then there are four outcomes [both passes on the healthy version], [dad passes on the defect gene], [mom passes on the defect gene] and [both passes on the defect gene]. All these are equally probable so for the child of two carriers you have 1/4 perfectly healthy child, 2/4 that the child is healthy but carrier and 1/4 that the child suffers from the disease.

Most of these diseases are quite uncommon which means that the probability of two carriers meeting and mating are quite low. However, there are many different defective genes which means that there is a quite high probability that we carry atleast one defective gene that could have detrimental effects. This means that if we mate with a random person would the chance of us having the same defective gene be low (causing a loss of function for what that gene does). But if we mate with a close relative would the chance that we give birth to an individual with a pair of the defective gene be much higher than with the random person (since the two individuals carries much of the same DNA.

The "recessive single gene" disease is the easiest case to calculate and understand so I've only used this example here but you can easily create scenarios where several genes cooperate to cause a detrimental (or beneficial effect) but understanding the "single recessive gene" scenario is the basis for all genetic inheritance. The "Habsburg chin" that prevented Charles II from chewing his own food was most certainly not an example of a single defective gene since the whole Habsburg family had it in one form or another.

the only problem in this whole thing is that
his father was the uncle of his mother

anything else is not a problem if you consider that this familytree is going over 200 years

I count 7 unique ancestors in 7 generations. A normal person would have 2^7 = 128 unique ancestors (ie for each generation the number of people contributing to the DNA is doubled, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128). I don't have time to calculate the inbreeding coefficient but it would be a quite impressive number. This is a problem becuase if for example Albert V Duke of Bavaria (1528-79) carries the recessive gene for hemophillia will there be a chance that it is passed on to both Philip IV of Spain and Manana of Austria which then could both pass it on to Charles II. The same problem would be present if Philip of Castile was the first known carrier his position as direct ancestor to all but 6 persons in the family tree would make almost all the members of the family tree potential carriers and thereby greatly increase the risk of Charles II suffering from carrying a pair of recessive genes that are defective. The extreme levels of inbreeding in this family means that even if the members aren't extremly close will the level of genetic similarity be far higher than in normal people.

One example of the increased risk would be Anne of Austria (1549-1580) who would have had a 1/8 chance to carry atleast one gene for hemophillia and 1/64 to carry two of them (and therefor suffer from hemophillia). This effect is then carried on through the ages since the lack of "external blood" means that the same proportions of defective genes will be kept in the population (family).

[thatguy]

dont check out what he looks like

Oh god i should have listened to you....

[LordCrockett]

Adar thanks you for educating me on the subject
That man could be a poster child for Incest

[KoS]

Inbreeding was and is basically the norm of European royalty. If you don't believe me, look at Prince Charles' ears.

you want real royal inbreeding?

check this guy's family tree



dont check out what he looks like

I wish I had listened to you. But then again, this gives me the advantage of being able to describe it to the curious before any more people are scarred for life.



This is not him, but instead Lorenzo de' Medici. Now imagine if him and Michael Jackson had a child.




Exactly.