Which Sabbath is correct: Friday, Saturday, or Sunday?

[Hector's Shadow]

This is a hot topic that I know can get pretty heated. So I say lets keep the gloves on and no hitting below the belt.

I believe that Saturday is the true Sabbath and understand why CHristians believe that Sunday is the true Sabbath but I am curious as to why Muslims believe that Friday is the Sabbath. And I am not trying to be condesending, I really want to know why.

So I started this post to share what you believe and if you could share why you believe what you believe.

[Aziel]

Well, Saturday was the original one.

[Blau&Gruen]

Sabbath is from Friday evening to Saturday evening. The times change. There are calenders with the hour to know when.

[Hector's Shadow]

Sabbath is from Friday evening to Saturday evening. The times change. There are calenders with the hour to know when.

that is a good point. That is when I start the Sabbath rest.

But If you are reffering to the Muslims, I think that they start on thursday sundown to friday sundown.

[Blau&Gruen]

Muslim consider Friday because it is when creation was complet, but it is more like christian Sunday. It is not uncommon to work on Friday. Observat muslims go to a special prayer event at noon.

I think Thursday is in Buddhism a day that is considered with regard and care.

[Hector's Shadow]

Muslim consider Friday because it is when creation was complet, but it is more like christian Sunday. It is not uncommon to work on Friday. Observat muslims go to a special prayer event a noon.

interesting, that seems to make sense.

If there are any Muslims who could verify this that would be great.
Also please explain why you would not honor the Sabbath that God laid out in Genesis. Thanks.

[Cluny the Scourge]

Surely what matters is simply that the Sabbath is HONOURED - which means one fixed day in the week, but without it actually mattering which one. It's the spirit of the thing that matters, not petty technical details. That's the same answer I always give to pedants who complain that Jesus was probably born sometime in September - so what? What matters is that his birth is CELEBRATED at some point, not that some false assertion is actually being made that the 25th Dec is ACTUALLY the day he was born on.

Humans can't possibly KNOW which one is the right day - exactly seven days in the weekly cycle from the time when God completed Creation.

A calendar system is an artificial, human fabrication used for convenience and practical purposes to organise our lives, not some sort of transcendant, mystical cosmic law.

Supposing you accepted the notion of Creation and Genesis (which of course you shouldn't, but forget that for a moment) - a weekly calendar system did not exist and Adam and Eve could not have possibly known what freaking day it was (unless God gave them a Playboy pinup wall-calendar at some point featuring Eve and the next eleven women to exist...who would necessarily have been their children and grandchildren).

Perhaps when the idea of named days-of-the-week was invented someone said 'Okay, we'll say THIS day is the cut-off point and pretend like God told us in a dream, right? Only keep that under your yarmulke, because if it gets out we're pulling everyone's locks we'll get stoned.'

Do you known what phase the moon was in when God created it? It doesn't say THAT in Genesis, does it? Was it waxing, waning, full or complete?

[Hector's Shadow]

But it doesn't matter wether it falls on the 23rd or the 24th all that matters is the the seven-day cycle. it doesn't matter if it is a harvest moon or an eclipse, all that matters is the seven-day cycle.

Jesus Honored Saturday as the sabbath. It was not, as you say, a bunch of good 'ol boys in Yamakes making things up.

And it is important what day you honor as the Sabbath. THe command was given by God to honor the Sabbath Day. Not a day of your choosing.

Exodus 20:8-10 8"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 "Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God...

But I will agree with what you said about the spirit of it. If you honor the sabbath without that spirit then why even honor it at all.

These days were not to be taken literally as three twenty-four hour periods but rather three days

Friday: day one, Jesus dies before the Sabbath
Saturday: day two, Jesus rests in grave on the Sabbath
Sunday: day three, early Jesus raise from the grave

the people did not have alarm clocks with 24hours like we do today. they worked by the sun. As you shared, in Genesis life started with the night.

[Cluny the Scourge]

Jesus Honored Saturday as the sabbath. It was not, as you say, a bunch of good 'ol boys in Yamakes making things up.

And it is important what day you honor as the Sabbath. THe command was given by God to honor the Sabbath Day. Not a day of your choosing.

And yet as you yourself have identified, three different groups have indeed chosen three different days on which to honour the Sabbath. If it is a matter of strict construction as you represent it then at LEAST two (and possibly all three) are wrong and are failing to obey God's command. Jesus preferred Saturday as his choice - good for him, but other's disagree with his analysis.

After all, did Jesus have access to records listing the passage of every day since Creation so that he knew exactly when he was at a multiple of seven from it? More likely he simply endorsed a prevailing Judean custom that was already in place in his community, as part of his campaign of instruction and teaching.

Even if you believe Jesus was God's avatar, he was still a man with all a man's physical limitations - he didn't know every skill and have access to all secret lore. He couldn't perform kung-fu, or redecorate houses according to the principles of Feng-Shui, or know the distance from the Earth to the Sun in lengths of football stadium. And he couldn't calculate the exact number of days since Creation and divide by seven like he trying to get the gold star from his schoolteacher.

[Sphere]

If it made sense, it wouldn't be religion.

[swhunter]

Hi Gents. May i add a few points ?
As a christian ( which means Christ like ) Or believer of The One anointed
of God Yahshua ( Heb ) God saves..
Saturday is the sabbath.
In Gen. it reads from the evening to the morning is the first day.
so on...
Also Israel started their first month by the lunar not solar.
read Ex. 12. This moon ( Heb ) Month is the beginning of months unto you.

As why the common Christians say the sabbath is on Sunday is because of Mary coming to the tomb of Jesus on the first day of the week.
Which isn't when Jesus arose.. think about it . If the common teaching is Jesus died on Friday. And if he said in Matt 12. As Jonah would be in the whales belly 3 days and 3 nights the son of man would be 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth!
Fri / sat / sun / Mon / Remember Jesus died at the 9th hour. which is 3.00.
so if it was a full three days and nights and if we would take the bible ( books ) litterial he would of arose on Monday at that time around there.
According to the law of moses the lamb of God was taken on t first month in israel abib. And on the 14 they would kill the lamb. The 14 was on wednesday
and Jesus died on a wednesday not Friday.
Then you would have wed/ thursday / Friday / saturday ( sabbath ) not Sunday. Remember Mary came to the tomb early and the angel said he was risen! he wasn't there at that time.
Sorry to preach guys......
But there are so many points in Gods word about the truth of the Resurrection,
on the sabbath ,
But aim basing my points from the books on Moses and the God of Abraham Issac , and Jacob , what was handed down through his prophets.
If any points you wish to share i would love to hear it !
Or questions on what i said. This isn't intended to offend anyone.

[swhunter]

These days were not to be taken literally as three twenty-four hour periods but rather three days

Friday: day one, Jesus dies before the Sabbath
Saturday: day two, Jesus rests in grave on the Sabbath
Sunday: day three, early Jesus raise from the grave

the people did not have alarm clocks with 24hours like we do today. they worked by the sun. As you shared, in Genesis life started with the night.

true but the Bible calls them watches of time.
a watch is when a period of time passed. which is 3 or 4 hours a guard would go on.

Here's a cool point.
If the bible is clear saying the evening to the morning is the first day.
Then when was Jesus put on the cross ?
the third hour of the day.
On the six hour there was darkness on the face of the earth.
and on the ninth hour he died.
so you have the 3rs hour ( when could that be ? )
easy.. remember Jesus was judged at night by the Jews then in the moring crucified. Jesus was placed on the cross at the 3rd hour ( 9.00 )
then while there suffered til there was darkness over the earth. 6th hour. 12. 00.
then he died 9th. hour from that morning into afternoon which is 3.00 .
So total hours Jesus was on the cross was 6 hours. From the third hour ( 9.00 ) to the 9th hour ( 3. 00 )
And it was the third hour, and they crucified him..Mark 15.25
Matt 27.45--50 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.



And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias.
And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink.
The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him. Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

also...Luke 23.43--44 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.
So it is very clear as to the time ! But why ?
Read Duet 21.23 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:
His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
Jesus body must be taken off or the land would be cursed .
And before Jesus died he told one thief today you would be with me in paradise. before it started the next day. Which was evening to evening
Gen 1.1. and so on...
Remember all the thief had to believe was Jesus was of God !
They all knew they wee cursed! Gal 3. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Jesus was cursed for the whole world ! Jew and gentile.
The thief saw his sins and said lord ! We deserve what is going to happen. but this man has done nothing!
Anyhow Jesus is the Lord of the sabbath to cease from our works and live by his faith as Paul said.
Gal 2. 16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
anyhow i didn't think we were going to turn this into a sundayooops
saterday school!
Was is this all inportant anyhow ?
2tim 2.15.Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. This is for the whole world.
Deosnt matter what idea of relgion we are from , we need to understand Gods will not ours. And i believe he is one God and one sa,vation.
Prov. 30.4
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

I'm a little confuse as to where you are going with this in relation to the Sabbath. Please elaborate, especially these quotes:

Yes Jesus came to fulfill Gods word correct ?
The word sabbath in Greek just means rest.
God just wanted man to rest from his works.
Yet as time passed man came up with his own religions.
And Sundays came from the old roman catholic teachings.
The sabbath started when God made the earth 6 days.
evening to morning was the first day.
also the feast days in abib Hebrew month they would have two days in a week of rests. A high sabbath wasn't always on a saturday.
the the feast of weeks.
also God told isreal to work 6 years and every 7th year to let the land rest!
What a vacation !

also the Year of Jubless ( every 50 years, slaves would be freed , debts paid.
land returned to the rightfull ower!

But most of all read this..
Heb. 4. 1-16
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

2For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8For if Jesus ( this means Yahshua or savoir in greek , joshia is the one that took the land of cannon after moses died ) had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.



read Luke 24. 24 the whole chapter.


And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not.

25Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

26Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

27And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.




Luke 24. 44

This is just what Jesus spoke about the law and the sabbath is in the law.
And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Jesus was the fulfilment of the Sabbath That God wanted with men.
Remember it just means Rest.
And Jesus ( savior ) is our rest and peace with God our father of heaven and earth.

[swhunter]

I agree Jesus quoted from the old testament as a wittiness.
Remember Jesus came to fulfill all things written of him.
read Luke 24 the whole chapter.
Speaks of all the prophets and the psalms concerning him.
In Heb 4. Jesus is that rest. No longer by the law.
The Hebrews never found that rest.
Everyday we should have rest. peace with God !
no matter what we call ourselves.
God said i am Yahvoah without me there is no salvation.
Why ? without in Greek means ( apart from )
All through all scripture God would have his salvation .
Either from a lamb for sin. And at a appointed his only begotten Son.
So we must come to Gods way of Salvation.

[Hector's Shadow]

I'm a little confuse as to wher you are going with this in relation to the Sabbath. Please elaborate, especially these quotes:

Speaks of all the prophets and the psalms concerning him.
In Heb 4. Jesus is that rest. No longer by the law.
The Hebrews never found that rest.

read Luke 24 the whole chapter.

[Hector's Shadow]

Wow, I just wanted you to say clearly what you were trying to say, but now I think I need an aspirin.

So let me get this straight, you are trying to say that the Sabbath doesn't matter any more or are you saying that it doesn't matter which Sabbath you observe.

I think you are trying to say the first.
I see you quoted Paul. His writings on law and grace have confused many Christians who think the Sabbath is dead or completed.
Paul was trying to get us to understand that we can not be saved by the law, we are only saved by Christ. He never said that you cease to do the Law.
Galatians 3:21 Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be...
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET."
Romans 7:13 Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me? May it never be! Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.

Paul was sharing with a world that beleived it could work for its salvation that their efforts were futile. Paul was not attacking the law of God, he was merely showing it to be a mirror to show us our need of a savior.

I worry about you saying that Jesus completed the Sabbath, for if He did as you say then Jesus would also have absolved all of the other 9commandments. And it would be ridiculous to say that we could commit murder now just because Jesus died on the cross. So if that is ridiculous why is it any different if we break the Sabbath, isn't it also one of God's laws?

Romans 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!

[swhunter]

think I need an aspirin. Sorry !!

So let me get this straight, you are trying to say that the Sabbath doesn't matter any more
As a certain day ? No. it does matter ! because Jesus is the lord of the sabbath or are you saying that it doesn't matter which Sabbath you observe. Yep it doesn't matter!
Yes pick a day Sunday or saturday or what day or everyday !Just Rest everyday in him not just a certain day. Look below...
People get into their mind taking one day a week for God and the rest is theirs!
Its walking with God all the time. We can if we hear him and if we want to.

As a certain day No it doesn't matter. God looks at the heart of man.
Jesus told the woman at the well
The true worshippers will worship in spirit and truth. We can worship every day and we should. Its just tradition that worshippers go on Sunday.
and also Saturday. God wants all of us not part . We can be on vacation , or work or school anywhere. Jesus said i would never leave you or forsake you.
Jesus said if two to three gather in my name hes here in the middle.
Matter of fact hes here now if we can receive it! Because our conversation is directed toward him.
In Gods greatest commandments.. he said.
Love the lord your God with all your mind , heart and soul. and your neighbor as your self.
Jesus broke the sabbath often.
1. the blind man healed on the sabbath
2. He and this disciples ate corn .
3. He healed a lame man and he took up his bed.
And it was a high sabbath.. and the Jews were mad at him for taking his bed.
just a few......

Also the disciples worshiped in scripture the first day of the week and other days.
also the Jews went to the temple 3 times in a year to offer a sacrifice for their sins.
also they had synagogues where they read Gods word and spoke .
So worship God in spirit ( his word is spirit. ) and truth! and his word is truth.
Don't matter if its Friday , saturday , or Sunday.. any and all is good with him !

Do what Joshia did. Josh 1. 6- 9

Only be thou strong and very courageous, that thou mayest observe to do according to all the law, which Moses my servant commanded thee: turn not from it to the right hand or to the left, that thou mayest prosper withersoever thou goest.

This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.
Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the LORD thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest.

[Hector's Shadow]

Wooooh! Jesus never broke the Sabbath. If He would have He would be a sinner. He broke the Pharisees misconception of the Sabbath, not the Sabbath itself.

I have to argue that it is very important which day you honor as the Sabbath. Sure God looks at the heart of a man and knows his ways but if the man knows what is right ant goes contrary to it he becomes guilty of wrong doing. If you know that the Sabbath that God wanted you to honor was Saturday and you chose your own you also become guilty of wrong doing and are breaking God's law.

For instance the first three commandments they not to worship idols, nor make them, and that God is the only God. Well let's say we take Jesus and we say I like this part about Him (Love, grace, patience, forgiveness) but I really don't like these parts (law, justice, order). So we take our Jesus and worship only the parts we like are we still worshipping Jesus or are we worshipping a God of our own creation? Isn't that a form of idolotry?

This is the same with the Seventh-day Sabbath. If it is inconvenient to honor and uphold (Hebrew says Guard, put a terrace around) the Saturday Sabbath we think we have the liberty to change what God has made Holy and honor a day in which he never Sanctified.

We divert from doing God's will and we do our own. But our will must be as His will. We become like Him not Him like us.

Cluny you are talking foolishness. Jesus was not an avatar. He was God; All knowing, all powerfu God.

But you are missing the Point.
1. Jesus being all knowing knew when the Sabbath was.
2. Jews throughout history gaurded with fervor through at least two calender changes (justinian and Augustine) that the seven day week schedule not be altered and it never was.

But you are right in that two groups, actually three when you throw in the ones who believe that the Sabbath doesn't matter anymore, are wrong. Some will be able to claim ignorance on the day of Judgement and others will not. Those will be the ones who knew and yet ignored, but I am no ones judge.

[swhunter]

Wooooh! Jesus never broke the Sabbath. If He would have He would be a sinner. He broke the Pharisees misconception of the Sabbath, not the Sabbath itself.

I have to argue that it is very important which day you honor as the Sabbath. Sure God looks at the heart of a man and knows his ways but if the man knows what is right ant goes contrary to it he becomes guilty of wrong doing. If you know that the Sabbath that God wanted you to honor was Saturday and you chose your own you also become guilty of wrong doing and are breaking God's law.

For instance the first three commandments they not to worship idols, nor make them, and that God is the only God. Well let's say we take Jesus and we say I like this part about Him (Love, grace, patience, forgiveness) but I really don't like these parts (law, justice, order). So we take our Jesus and worship only the parts we like are we still worshipping Jesus or are we worshipping a God of our own creation? Isn't that a form of idolotry?

This is the same with the Seventh-day Sabbath. If it is inconvenient to honor and uphold (Hebrew says Guard, put a terrace around) the Saturday Sabbath we think we have the liberty to change what God has made Holy and honor a day in which he never Sanctified.

We divert from doing God's will and we do our own. But our will must be as His will. We become like Him not Him like us.

Jesus said was the sabbath made for man or man for the sabbath ?
That is my point.
In mans eyes Jesus broke the sabbath not in Gods eyes.
Jesus healed , gathered corn with his disciples . which on the sabbath you were not to work.
And Jesus said while it is day i will work. Jesus point was to do good on the sabbath not evil.

have to argue that it is very important which day you honor as the Sabbath. Sure God looks at the heart of a man and knows his ways but if the man knows what is right ant goes contrary to it he becomes guilty of wrong doing. If you know that the Sabbath that God wanted you to honor was Saturday and you chose your own you also become guilty of wrong doing and are breaking God's law.

That is my point.
Read Gods word Jesus was showing no one could keep gods law!
That's why we are saved through faith in Christ.
not of works unless a man boasts .
please read all of Hebrews chapter 4.
Matter of Fact read the whole book of Hebrews.
Sabbath in the Greek just means rest.
We should rest everyday. From our works and let Gods word work in us as we read it , submit to it , and believe it.
Do a study on the sabbath.
look up every scripture and put it together.
i have a strong's concordance of the Greek and Hebrew and a Young's concordance. Its amazing what Gods word speaks.

[Cluny the Scourge]

Cluny you are talking foolishness. Jesus was not an avatar. He was God; All knowing, all powerful God.

What do you think the word "avatar" means? It means a god who has taken human form on Earth. Jesus was, according to Christians, an avatar - the incarnation of God.

I will let the 'foolishness' crack slide.

[Hector's Shadow]

I was wondering if any Muslims could enlighten me as to why their Sabbath is Friday and when this change happened
Thanks