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    No wonder sanctions and talks dont work with Iran

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    Calmy-Rey had a hidden agenda. Interestingly, Calmy-Rey, who boasts about her high moral standards and her defense of human rights, said she also went to Tehran to address the human rights situation in Iran.

    This seems like a very long shot, especially in light of Calmy-Rey's pedigree. Indeed, the current Swiss foreign minister and fixture on the Swiss political scene has earned a reputation of blatant anti-Americanism and anti-Israel. She will rarely miss an opportunity to criticize Israel. This may explain why Switzerland was the only European country to recently vote for an anti-Israel resolution at the U.N. Human Rights Council, which incidentally is Geneva-based.

    There is more. Roger Koppel, the owner and chief editor of the Swiss weekly Die Weltwoche wrote in a recent Wall Street Journal Europe piece, entitled, "Somebody Stop Calmy-Rey": "It is a miracle that her most disastrous act so far went almost unnoticed. In December 2006, she received an Iranian delegation for talks on the nuclear program. To the horror of her closest colleagues, she came up with the idea of improving relations by holding a seminar on differing perceptions of the Holocaust.

    "One must understand the enormity of this: Ms. Calmy-Rey suggested a debate in Switzerland with Iranian Holocaust deniers on whether the murder of 6 million Jews actually happened. Fortunately, nothing came of this idea. It would not only have been outrageous, but also illegal, since genocide denial is a crime in Switzerland."

    So, maybe Calmy-Rey wanted to address the Holocaust issue with Holocaust denier Ahmadinejad. Nonetheless what seems the most likely reason of her Iranian trip and her lying about it could be the Iranian nuclear program. Indeed, one should not be surprised if Swiss diplomacy is trying to find a solution to help the Iranians one way or another.

    With such actions, it would appear that Switzerland has abandoned its long-cherished "neutral" label to the detriment of the West. One should not underestimate the potential nefarious effects of Switzerland's foreign policy, in particular when it comes to the Middle East.

    In light of this development Washington might want to reconsider having the Swiss represent U.S. interests in Iran. Now that relations with the French have improved, Washington should consider dropping Berne for Paris
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    One should not underestimate the potential nefarious effects of Switzerland's foreign policy
    Joke article?

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    Erm isn't she just going to discuss human rights?

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    So, maybe Calmy-Rey wanted to address the Holocaust issue with Holocaust denier Ahmadinejad. Nonetheless what seems the most likely reason of her Iranian trip and her lying about it could be the Iranian nuclear program. Indeed, one should not be surprised if Swiss diplomacy is trying to find a solution to help the Iranians one way or another.
    Do you have anything to back this up?

    Oh and by the way, It is a bit odd for Mr Köppel to gab off about the Holocaust denial issue.
    "One must understand the enormity of this: Ms. Calmy-Rey suggested a debate in Switzerland with Iranian Holocaust deniers on whether the murder of 6 million Jews actually happened. Fortunately, nothing came of this idea. It would not only have been outrageous, but also illegal, since genocide denial is a crime in Switzerland."
    Watchen sie auf! Eet's ze Jerman article!
    http://www.weltwoche.ch/artikel/?Ass...&CategoryID=66
    In this article, one of the main points is that democracies shouldn't silence people with anti-racism laws, written by Roger Köppel.
    Oh the irony.

    The Weltwoche isn't the most trustworthy source, I'd say.
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    Been against the US and Israel does not make you pro Iran. and i do not think the Swiss would stand for any denial of the holocaust

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    atchen sie auf! Eet's ze Jerman article!
    http://www.weltwoche.ch/artikel/?Ass...&CategoryID=66
    In this article, one of the main points is that democracies shouldn't silence people with anti-racism laws, written by Roger Köppel.
    Oh the irony.

    The Weltwoche isn't the most trustworthy source, I'd say.
    Did they sign the deal or not. If they did then what have you to say?
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    Switzerland's national interests may not coincide with US national interests. They make decisions based on their own well being rather than what the US is going to think.

    Its ed up but true. The world's a crazy place.




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    Did they sign the deal or not. If they did then what have you to say?
    Signing a trading agreement which has nothing to do with a nuclear programme is the same as actively supporting the nuclear programme?
    Money alone isn't enough to build working nuclear reactors and weapons, so don't start with "Iran gets money which it can spend on building nuclear facilities".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xan View Post
    i do not think the Swiss would stand for any denial of the holocaust
    Indeed.

    In fact: from what I gather the Swiss want to educate Iran on the holocaust, which is about time.

    Calling for a "discussion" is just diplomatic talk for saying "Hey you stupid ! come over here and I'll educate you on what really happened in '40-'45, you dumb barbarian!"



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    Switzerland also supported the Nazi's during world war to with ammunition production.

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    So she wants to look at all the possibilties of the holocost? This is bad? Call me crazy but I thought it was good and rather prudent to look at some thing from all concivible angles be for saying "This is what realy hapend!" Why is it that asking questions about the Holocost imidiatly makes you a a suporter of those that say it never hapend? Dose this aditude hold with any other topic? If I ask questions about how graviaty works dose that mean I don't suport it? What about evolution? Absured. If it turns that history is right and infact Hitler led a persaqution of the Jews hell bet on killing them all the excerzie only futher enforces that; if there is sound evidence that perhaps some thing elce hapend then we will know that much more about history. It is a win win.

    Further more how is it bad that this person wants to talk to Iran about human rights? I hear they could use some help with the human rights in Iran, may be they don't know how to do it right and need instrution.

    What is the problem with the Iranians biulding a few glow in the dark power plants? Afraid they are going to biuld wepons out of them? Don't be, you can't. The tech involved in nuclear power generation and nucliar arms generation is rather diferent, and the Iranin governemt knows about as much about biulding nukes as I do (and that isn't much). Is it so hard to belive that they just want a relativly cheep and cleen source of power?

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    Switzerland's national interests may not coincide with US national interests. They make decisions based on their own well being rather than what the US is going to think.
    Nope but it shows how useless trying to have the UN or anyone else try to sanction anyone. If the US made this deal you guys would be screaming. Its nice to know whos side your nation is on. Iran is no threat right. Supporting their regime is fine right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush Limbaugh View Post
    Nope but it shows how useless trying to have the UN or anyone else try to sanction anyone. If the US made this deal you guys would be screaming. Its nice to know whos side your nation is on. Iran is no threat right. Supporting their regime is fine right?
    Switzerland follow its interests. They want some energy sources and probably want to sell some stuff to the Iranian. When the US follow their interests, should the Swiss get pissed about it? In International Relations, there are no friends, just interests. Maybe Congress should vote (and pass) a law about renaming Swiss watches - "Freedom Watches"? How about "Freedom Cheese"? Or "Freedom Banks"?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    Switzerland follow its interests. They want some energy sources and probably want to sell some stuff to the Iranian. When the US follow their interests, should the Swiss get pissed about it? In International Relations, there are no friends, just interests. Maybe Congress should vote (and pass) a law about renaming Swiss watches - "Freedom Watches"? How about "Freedom Cheese"? Or "Freedom Banks"?
    All true, but i won't see the Swiss the same now. Before they were people who hid nazi gold and refused to give jews their money after the holocaust. Now they are people who hid nazi gold, refused to give jews their money after the holocaust, and also support Iran. They also didn't allow women to vote until 1971. That too...

    Also, i don't know if the freedom is from previous knowledge but back during the Great War the US renamed Hamburgers, freedom sandwiches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendI View Post
    All true, but i won't see the Swiss the same now. Before they were people who hid nazi gold and refused to give jews their money after the holocaust. Now they are people who hid nazi gold, refused to give jews their money after the holocaust, and also support Iran. They also didn't allow women to vote until 1971. That too...
    /end thread

    All there is to say. They are free to do whatever they want. The rest of us are free to react to it.

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    So what?
    More power to them, we should be asking ourselves; Is the U.S.A. siding with Israel?

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    You have to ask. And does Israel threaten anyone that doesnt attack her? You compare Israel to Iran?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush Limbaugh View Post
    You have to ask. And does Israel threaten anyone that doesnt attack her? You compare Israel to Iran?
    Israel doesnt threaten. They actually walk the walk so to speak.


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    srael doesnt threaten. They actually walk the walk so to speak.
    Only when attacked or threatened with attack. Not a good comparison at all. The arabs are lucky their as peaceful as they are. Lets not make this another Israel palestine thread though. We already have 1 going now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush Limbaugh View Post
    You have to ask. And does Israel threaten anyone that doesnt attack her? You compare Israel to Iran?
    Israel doesn't threaten, it acts. It invaded Lebanon and then bombed half of it after twenty years without achieving a single military objective.
    Iran doesn't act and it doesn't threaten either. If anything, Iran has been attacked by enemy forces more than once.
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