Any Byz skins compatible w/ SS 6.1?

[Wolfgrin]

As you can tell, I'm not too crazy about the skins for the Byz armies, especially the head gear. They are probably historically more accurate, but they're just not as cool as the ones used back in SS 4.1.

Anybody know where I can find some Byz skins that will work with SS 6.1?

[tesb]

I also would appreciate this. A little mini mod would be wonderfull.

[Ificratis]

I have created some before. Check here:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=140525

But there a new mod for Byzantium created:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=154106

[Caesar Clivus]

As Ificratis' 2nd link points to, a complete overhaul of the unit roster for Byzantium is in the works. Patience my young padawan.

[Guinnessmonkey]

As Ificratis' 2nd link points to, a complete overhaul of the unit roster for Byzantium is in the works. Patience my young padawan.

Hmm... That unit roster is actually kinda disturbing... It seems that the Byz roster should be full of javelineers with less archery. Instead, I don't think we have a single javelin-throwing unit...

[AnthoniusII]

There is a "real roster" my friends(2 infantry javelinears and one mounted one)...That how realy was!
Imperial guards,accurate varangians,acritae border guards,gasmouloi etc are some you must be expect from it!

[tesb]

a complete overhaul of the unit roster for Byzantium is in the works

compatible with SS? I just ask because i don´t have modding experience, so a fool-proof mini mod would really do the trick

[Caesar Clivus]

compatible with SS? I just ask because i don´t have modding experience, so a fool-proof mini mod would really do the trick

It will be when it's finished.

[Gorrrrrn]

re Byzantine roster mod.

Will it stay within exisiting EDU unit limits for the faction? (otherwise shoe-horning it into SS will involve removing other units.)

How are you dealing with mercenaries and auxilliaries - do you think they should be part of the default byzantine roster or available locally in certain areas (for local auxs or in Constantinople for mercs / loan troops from further away?) Given that the Byzantines relied heavily on non domestic troops, one would expect the basic "roster" to be supplemented by a wide variety of extras.

From my reading I've discovered that the Mongols loaned the Byzantines substantial numbers of men (don't know unit types) when they were in alliance with them. No idea how you work that in as I don't believe the council of nobles can grant you units outside your existing roster? (as reward for forming an alliance) unless you make Mongol troops available as very cheap mercs after a Mongol - Byz Alliance event?

(Reading: can recommend not only Ian Heath's "Byzantine armies 1118-1461" (Osprey) for illus and summary of aux/mercs, but also David Nicolle's "Companion to Medieval Arms and Armour" as that has 3 chapters on Byzantine a&a and plentiful contemporary illus.)

[Caesar Clivus]

re Byzantine roster mod.

Will it stay within exisiting EDU unit limits for the faction? (otherwise shoe-horning it into SS will involve removing other units.)

Yes. Thankfully the Byzantine roster is comprised of almost all units unique to the Byzantines, so we have a lot of room to play with.

The aim of this mod isn't to cater to any one single mod. It's goal is to create a whole bunch of units that are historically accurate as possible and then let mod creators decide on which ones they want to use within their mods.

How are you dealing with mercenaries and auxilliaries - do you think they should be part of the default byzantine roster or available locally in certain areas (for local auxs or in Constantinople for mercs / loan troops from further away?) Given that the Byzantines relied heavily on non domestic troops, one would expect the basic "roster" to be supplemented by a wide variety of extras.

Anthonius can give more details about this, but personally I would would advocate that they should be a part of the default roster. If you limit recruitment of units to certain regions, then you are basically gimping the AI: you can't tell the AI "hey, you need to conquer Trebizond to get those cool archers". You can set up new buildings (eg Mercenary Barracks) to make recruiting those units a little more distinct.

From my reading I've discovered that the Mongols loaned the Byzantines substantial numbers of men (don't know unit types) when they were in alliance with them. No idea how you work that in as I don't believe the council of nobles can grant you units outside your existing roster? (as reward for forming an alliance) unless you make Mongol troops available as very cheap mercs after a Mongol - Byz Alliance event?

Not that I am aware of, but again Anthonius can comment on this more than I can. I'm a relative newcomer to the team.

(Reading: can recommend not only Ian Heath's "Byzantine armies 1118-1461" (Osprey) for illus and summary of aux/mercs, but also David Nicolle's "Companion to Medieval Arms and Armour" as that has 3 chapters on Byzantine a&a and plentiful contemporary illus.)

Trust me, from what I've seen Anthonius and others have done a LOT of research into this.

[Gorrrrrn]

CC

many thanks for info.

will have to wait and see how it turns out.

[AnthoniusII]

I am afraid the version for SS will be inside the unit roster limitation...
It a full functioning mod and it would be unrealistic to try to change the hole mod for a faction(maybe the next release)...
But the roster will have historicaly based changes(Acritae or Gasmouloi units for examble),more accurate shileds or helmets were it is nesesary!
As a mod Complete Byzantine Unit Roster will act like CC said as a "supermarket"of accurate units and we will let the mod leaders deside the number of those(and their reforms)they wish to add(always under our counsil od historical accuracy)...
An examble...Castrophilakae in a new mod should be reqruited by an addministration building but in the 1st version they will replace byz.infantry!
Byz.infantry will be present by two simmilar units(swordmen and spearmen) the ones who called Scoutati(shield barriers)!
Soon in our thread will be some images of the "new"units for the public to see!SOON!
See our reshearch here...
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=154106

[AnthoniusII]

See some of Caesar Clivus exelent work here....
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=169167

[ssmarine]

cant wait for this to come out. im not even starting a SS byz campaign till it does. keep up the good work guys.

[AnthoniusII]

soon........