Metro charter school accused of teaching Islam

[Rush Limbaugh]

Metro charter school accused of teaching Islam

A Star Tribune newspaper column has prompted a state investigation into a charter school. A substitute teacher said a school in Inver Grove Heights is blurring the line of separation of church and state.

Being a charter school Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy, or TIZA, is supported by tax dollars. The teacher told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS the presence of religion she observed at the school took her by surprise.

TIZA Executive Director Azad Zaman insisted the school follows with state and federal laws.

"TIZA does not endorse any religion," he said.

However, TIZA Academy is sponsored by Islamic Relief USA, based in California.

The questions came after substitute teacher Amanda Getz taught at TIZA last month and told the Star Tribune about things she observed that day that shocked her.

"I've been in a lot of schools and I've never been in a school where they had washing rituals, or they had prayer, or where they had a room where you had to take your shoes off," Getz said.

Violation of the 1st amendment or no?

[Joker85]

Wonder where the ACLU is? Interesting...

[LoZz]

unless the school is a private school then no school should teach one religion more then the other.

[wilting]

unless the school is a private school then no school should teach one religion more then the other.

Why the distinction? The implication of secular public schools is that teaching biased by a particular religion is undesirable. Why then, is it ok in a private school?


I find this thread ironic, given how strongly christianity holds sway in many American public schools. One might think that the report, or this thread, is born out of a hostility to Islam, rather than out of any commitment to secularism.

[LoZz]

Why the distinction? The implication of secular public schools is that teaching biased by a particular religion is undesirable. Why then, is it ok in a private school?


I find this thread ironic, given how strongly christianity holds sway in many American public schools. One might think that the report, or this thread, is born out of a hostility to Islam, rather than out of any commitment to secularism.

because private schools are not funded by the tax payer, and children are not forced to go to them. the school is payed for by the parents who are sending there children there, and they are sending them out of choice rather then a legal requirement, so they can teach whatever the hell they like, if you dont like it send you kid to the neutral state run school.

[Sher Khan]

Only thing wrong here is the inability of the director to put up an American flag.

I lol'd at taking off shoes teaching religion.

[boofhead]

What sort of a retard can't work a flag on a pole? The guy's lying.

[Каие]

Metro charter school accused of teaching Islam
Violation of the 1st amendment or no?

United states pledge of Allegiance.
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Enough said, double standards....

[Vequor]

United states pledge of Allegiance.
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Enough said, double standards....

The under god was actually added later to keep Communists from being able to say the pledge.

[danzig]

United states pledge of Allegiance.
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Enough said, double standards....

Not enforced and it doesnt state which god does it so nope try again.

Oh, sure, when it's not Christian creationism being indoctrinated into science classes people go nuts. Logical.

Come on be fair alot of us dislike this stuff no matter who is doing it, myself included.

[Каие]

Not enforced and it doesnt state which god does it so nope try again.

It is still preferring Religion to no religion, as such is forbidden by the constitution, but as i have said repeatedly cherry picking. Constitution when it suits you, like guns yeah!, but banning religious BS

"oh no! Guns and faith thats all i have, i know ill ignore the faith bit hee hee hee, when anyone asks ill just say its not a religion its just god..."
(satirical portrayal)

[Rush Limbaugh]

Theres nothing to look at history, the text is before our very eyes. the 1st ammendent forbids the [reference of religion over no-religon and vica versa. It must stay entirely neutral.

Maybe you can quote where it says that. Anyone who says they dont have to look at it historical perspective is just about not worth debating.

To the majority of people, God is chrisian, as they reckon Allah is muslim etc.

Yet in the Islam threads you claim Allah is arabic for god and that Jews , christians and Muslims all believe in the same god. They chose the word god so that they wouldnt violate the 1st amendment. And speaking of the pledge being changed the current idea of the separation of church and state only came about in 1948 and it was directed by a fomer KKK member who became a SCOTUS judge and did it to stop catholics from using public school buses.

Again you are pretty much clueless on US history and seem to think its worthless. Why bother you think you can read.

You;re not religious.

U.S. one of the most religious countries


The United States is the most religious nation in the developed world,

[Каие]

Maybe you can quote where it says that. Anyone who says they dont have to look at it historical perspective is just about not worth debating.

Applied in its historical context, Rush means that the issue about the 'under god' is quite clear seeing as it was only added in the last half century.

Yet in the Islam threads you claim Allah is arabic for god and that Jews , christians and Muslims all believe in the same god. They chose the word god so that they wouldnt violate the 1st amendment. And speaking of the pledge being changed the current idea of the separation of church and state only came about in 1948 and it was directed by a fomer KKK member who became a SCOTUS judge and did it to stop catholics from using public school buses.

I know that but others do not, the point is rush it does n;t say 'my god', it says 'under god'. A hindu has one god? Scientologist? Zoroastrian? Buddhist?

U.S. one of the most religious countries
The United States is the most religious nation in the developed world,

For all the wrong reasons, abortion and homosexuals is actually a election issue in the US because so many people care about it.

[danzig]

It is still preferring Religion to no religion, as such is forbidden by the constitution, but as i have said repeatedly cherry picking. Constitution when it suits you, like guns yeah!, but banning religious BS

I will say again slowly, you are not forced to say the pledge. You can simply not say it so why in the world are you bringing up a completely irrelevant point...since you do realize your attempt to use it as comparison simply doesnt not work. We are talking about taxpayer funded school vs an optional "pledge" how are they related in anyway?

[Rush Limbaugh]

Not talking to you.

Im talking to you. Whats the matter cat got your tongue?

Applied in its historical context, Rush means that the issue about the 'under god' is quite clear seeing as it was only added in the last half century.

And its totally constitutional incase that escaped you. The idea of seperation of church and state didnt start until 1948 but you ignore that.

I know that but others do not, the point is rush it does n;t say 'my god', it says 'under god'. A hindu has one god? Scientologist? Zoroastrian? Buddhi

God is not singular. Ask any catholic

Again the DOC would have to be declared unconstitutional according to your reasoning and there goes the whole ball of wax.

[Senno]

It is still preferring Religion to no religion, as such is forbidden by the constitution, but as i have said repeatedly cherry picking. Constitution when it suits you, like guns yeah!, but banning religious BS

"oh no! Guns and faith thats all i have, i know ill ignore the faith bit hee hee hee, when anyone asks ill just say its not a religion its just god..."
(satirical portrayal)

Gotta dig deeper than the surface again.

The news coverage here explains it well.

The school is a "charter" school, it is not "private" in the conventional sense. They are subject to regulation by Minnesota due to their use of public money.

The school is still open for business. The school district investigated and found 2 violations relating to prayers on Friday:

1. Praying alongside the students.
2. Holding the school busses for those prayers to finish.

The school has promised to rectify this, and that will be accepted, with periodic verification most likely.

Did you see my post relating to "freedom of the press" in the US? Much the same can be said to exists towards religion now. There is such amazing diversity here, that we now more openly tolerate all views, rather than restrict any.

It's a sign of change in society.

Confusing to people on the outside, yet makes sense inside.

The main issue now is whether a Catholic school could exist in the same circumstances? Answer has to be yes now.

If you wish I can elaborate further on the constitutional issue.

[Rush Limbaugh]

It obviously didn;t start in 1948 as it is in the declaration of independance and constitution.

Not its not. How can you say that with a straight face. Again you cant quote it,.

Irrelevant, God is god. Atheists don;t believe in god.
So that is preferring one religion over another, whats so difficult to understand. Why are you twisting things?

US courts have ruled aethism a religion as they should They cant enforce their lack of religion on the rest of us.

The promotion of religion, thats how.

If you knew anything about american history you would know once more that they wanted religion promoted and specifically christianity. They did not want a national church is all. They never even thought about muslims and Jews. or atheits. Despite modern claims they even dispised Deism they called it infedility and Jefferson had to assure them he wasnt one. You had to teach christianity in schools. They tried to convert all the Indians to christinaity and printed bibles for them and the army. They held church services in the halls of congress. It goes on and on.

[Kiljan Arslan]

If they are enforcing school prayer, have a iman for the school and constantly read out about the koran, or try to convert non muslims, then yes it is.

[Richard]

Metro charter school accused of teaching Islam



Violation of the 1st amendment or no?

Doesn't look like they teach it, just accomodate for it. I doubt kids HAVE to do the handwashing rituals.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Oh, sure, when it's not Christian creationism being indoctrinated into science classes people go nuts. Logical.