Oops I shot a Quran V.2

[Ruin]

Since my old thread was merged with another which was then closed, I took Farnan's advice and opened a new thread for it.

The soldier has apologised, the colonel has apologised and now Bush has? Have the Muslim anti-western protests ended? Of course not, they'll cling to every thing they see as an offense against their precious religion until something more serious crops up.

And what does this international crisis comes from? A soldier shot a book. A book, I mean come on! If the middle east is going to go up in arms every time someone does something that insignificant and superficial then they don't deserve to have the arms to raise.

[gambit]

Ooh, one soldier shot a Quran. We've probably blown up like 1000 in bombing missions.

I'm sick of Bush apologizing everytime a fool does something insensitive to whoever it is we're beating the crap out of (or trying too, usually the former)

I'm not being ignorant when I say "WE ARE ****ING AMERICA, WE DO NOT APOLOGIZE FOR STUPID LIKE A SOLDIER SHOOTING A BOOK. WE WILL NUKE YOU!"

maybe a little ignorant

[Da Skinna]

Ignorance is not nationalist elitism.

Let's line up all the holy books and mow 'em down... equality right?

[nce_wht_guy]

Why are any of you still on about this. Some idiot shot a book. Some more idiots were offended by it and then said idiot, his idiot CO, and their idiot president apologized for it. Thats just the way the world works.

[white-wolf]

This shows how ignorant the Amerikans.

You occupied a country.
You needs moderates' help and cooperation to complete your mission (to create/pacifize a oil-supplier)
You insult that people's holly text at their country.

It is like entering a house forcibly, killing the family's one of the sons in the process and slapping face of the gramma while sitting at the family dinner.

[jankren]

I didnt really give a rat's ass about this incident. But I understand if the Iraqis are upset. I mean degradations after degradations keeps on raining upon them.

[The Super Pope]

Are you that ignorant that you lot cannot see how sacrelige towards theKoran could incite people to hate America? This is a conflict which is already a religious war and you cannot see how this is hurting the war effort. Bush can apologise all he likes, it's not going to make the slightest bit of difference.
You can't just say "it's only a book", the soldier only did it because he knew it would be insulting to Islam

[basics]

Super Pope,

If memory serves me correct we went into Iraq to get rid of Saddam, never to fight a Holy war. Indeed it was the Immams of that place who turned it into a Holy war by proclaiming the thing another crusade.

However, what about the Christians who under Saddam had freedom to worship yet now are either leaving that place in fear or are being persecuted, even kidnapped and killed as a result of what these so-called Holy men shouted from the rooftops?

[DimondLight]

Are you that ignorant that you lot cannot see how sacrelige towards theKoran could incite people to hate America? This is a conflict which is already a religious war and you cannot see how this is hurting the war effort. Bush can apologise all he likes, it's not going to make the slightest bit of difference.
You can't just say "it's only a book", the soldier only did it because he knew it would be insulting to Islam

Oh? So you are now all-knowing? You know what everyone is thinking?

[Ruin]

You occupied a country.

To free them from a dictator

You needs moderates' help and cooperation to complete your mission (to create/pacifize a oil-supplier)

Who are these moderates'?

You insult that people's holly text at their country.

Holy texts are made of tree, not holly.

It is like entering a house forcibly, killing the family's one of the sons in the process and slapping face of the gramma while sitting at the family dinner.

Actually it's more like storming a building, freeing hostages, then dropping one of their computer's whilst evacuating it.

Are you that ignorant that you lot cannot see how sacrelige towards theKoran could incite people to hate America? This is a conflict which is already a religious war and you cannot see how this is hurting the war effort. Bush can apologise all he likes, it's not going to make the slightest bit of difference.
You can't just say "it's only a book", the soldier only did it because he knew it would be insulting to Islam

This isn't a religious war... else the Christians would be involved! I'm tired of having the word sacrilege thrown around as if it's some excuse to kill everyone you don't like. It's a book, just print another one!

[white-wolf]

To free them from a dictator

Was not it WMD? When did this "Dictator" emerged? What about other dictators?

Who are these moderates'?

The tribes who allied with USA, like sons of Iraq

Holy texts are made of tree, not holly.

Yes, holly texts are made of tree. It is what the book stood for these people.

Actually it's more like storming a building, freeing hostages, then dropping one of their computer's whilst evacuating it.

What hostages? They did not ask you! They did not beg you to occupy their country! They did not ask about Guantalomo, Abu Gharib, Halifa, raped and killed underage girls.... They did not invite you.

This isn't a religious war... else the Christians would be involved! I'm tired of having the word sacrilege thrown around as if it's some excuse to kill everyone you don't like. It's a book, just print another one!

not a religious war my ass. Indeed Bush's "Crusade" !

[rory o'kane]

not a religious war my ass. Indeed Bush's "Crusade" !

i see. and what about us Brits? are we religious Papist fanatics, sent to reclaim the "Holy Land" from the unbelievers too? kinda odd for a country in which the number of muslims are rising and the number of christians are decreasing and will be outnumbered in 10 years (apparently)(not saying that's a bad thing, mind you.... except for when they want to replace british law with shariah law, but that's for another debate! )! seriously, i doubt very much that Bush wishes a crusade against Islam - it's not like he's trying to turn Iraq Christian now, is it? looking at it realistically, the oil is the reason why we're there. i support the troops, but not the war. still, i do think that getting rid of Saddam was in fact necessary - it's a small minority now that is making life hell for everyone else in Iraq.

[white-wolf]

i see. and what about us Brits? are we religious Papist fanatics, sent to reclaim the "Holy Land" from the unbelievers too? kinda odd for a country in which the number of muslims are rising and the number of christians are decreasing and will be outnumbered in 10 years (apparently)(not saying that's a bad thing, mind you.... except for when they want to replace british law with shariah law, but that's for another debate! )! seriously, i doubt very much that Bush wishes a crusade against Islam - it's not like he's trying to turn Iraq Christian now, is it? looking at it realistically, the oil is the reason why we're there. i support the troops, but not the war. still, i do think that getting rid of Saddam was in fact necessary - it's a small minority now that is making life hell for everyone else in Iraq.

OK, fair enough. Yet, For some people it is a crusade, like a certain president who talks with God. Joke beside it is about the OIL, not about freedoom, not about WMDs, not about cruel dictators. They now believe their own lies about occupation and they think they are there to help Iraqis.

[Ruin]

Was not it WMD? When did this "Dictator" emerged? What about other dictators?

Well yes, faulty intelligence was the cause of the war, but what came out of it was the removal of a dictator.

The tribes who allied with USA, like sons of Iraq

Tribes? Since when has Iraq had a tribal system?

Yes, holly texts are made of tree. It is what the book stood for these people.

Holy, not holly, holly is a plant which people kiss under at Christmas. No matter what the people though, it's a book, not too much of an issue!

What hostages? They did not ask you! They did not beg you to occupy their country! They did not ask about Guantalomo, Abu Gharib, Halifa, raped and killed underage girls.... They did not invite you.

We didn't enter Iraq, we don't even have an army, so I don't know why you're saying "you" at me.
"raped and killed underage girls" - Oh yes? Where does this come from

not a religious war my ass. Indeed Bush's "Crusade" !

Ridiculousconspiracy theories with no backing will not win an argument.

[removeduser_426582376423734]

Well yes, faulty intelligence was the cause of the war, but what came out of it was the removal of a dictator.

What also came was hundreds of thousands of deaths, but that's not why we went in.

Tribes? Since when has Iraq had a tribal system?

He probably meant groups.

Holy, not holly, holly is a plant which people kiss under at Christmas. No matter what the people though, it's a book, not too much of an issue!

A church is just a building. The Pope is just a person. To me. You don't have to believe it, you just have to respect that the people you are trying to win over believe it.

We didn't enter Iraq, we don't even have an army, so I don't know why you're saying "you" at me.
"raped and killed underage girls" - Oh yes? Where does this come from

Link.

[Ruin]

What also came was hundreds of thousands of deaths, but that's not why we went in.

Let's not turn this into a discussion of whether or not the Iraq war was just. But there were thousands of deaths before the invasion as well. Remember the chemical genocide of the Kurds? The personal torture house of Uday Hussein?

He probably meant groups.

Probably

A church is just a building. The Pope is just a person. To me. You don't have to believe it, you just have to respect that the people you are trying to win over believe it.

Slightly different. Setting alight to a church/temple is removing a person's place of worship and a house of God. Killing the pope is murder. The Koran is one of millions of printed copies which you can access on the internet.

Link.

Horrible true, but nothing compared to what was already happening in Iraq, and what is still happening across Africa in far less extensive wars.


EDIT:

Two civilians and a Nato soldier have been killed in Afghanistan during a demonstration over the shooting of the Koran by a US soldier in Iraq.

The protest by over 1,000 people in Chagcharan turned violent after the crowd tried to storm a Nato base.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7415274.stm

Oh, it's getting worse. Now people are dying... over a book. This is getting ridiculous. The west needs to put it's foot down on a middle east desperate to cause as much chaos and destruction as their able, taking to violence whenever they have the opportunity.

[white-wolf]

Well yes, faulty intelligence was the cause of the war, but what came out of it was the removal of a dictator.

So, there was no real cause to invade Iraq but OIL.

Tribes? Since when has Iraq had a tribal system?

Like Sunni tribes who drop insurgency and support Coalition now.

Holy, not holly, holly is a plant which people kiss under at Christmas.

Sorry for my sloopy English. It is not my mother language. So do you feel good now?

No matter what the people though, it's a book, not too much of an issue!

Of course it is just a book. However, one must not forget the symbolizm there.

We didn't enter Iraq, we don't even have an army, so I don't know why you're saying "you" at me.

Pardon me, that I confused you with speaker of USA military.

"raped and killed underage girls" - Oh yes? Where does this come from

"You" do not know what ordinary Iraqi people live under US occupation, even most public ones, and do not understand why they have this outcry. I am not suprised.

Ridiculousconspiracy theories with no backing will not win an argument.

Please tell me Bush did not say "Crusade" about Iraqi occupation, not once, twice.

[Ruin]

So, there was no real cause to invade Iraq but OIL.

No, that's liberal bull frabricated to disenchant the American population with the war which spilled over into Europe. Oil was never an issue, the Americans damaged their oil supply more by invading then letting Iraq go under their own steam, and they knew that. WMDs were the reason, just so happened they were wrong about Iraq having any left after the Iran-Iraq war. However they did have chemical weapons and were committing genocide, so good for them!

Like Sunni tribes who drop insurgency and support Coalition now.

They're not tribes.

Of course it is just a book. However, one must not forget the symbolizm there.

Of a book? That's ridiculous. A book contains information, that's all, it's not an artifact in it's own right unless it was some relic from three hundred years ago or some such.

"You" do not know what ordinary Iraqi people live under US occupation, even most public ones, and do not understand why they have this outcry. I am not suprised.

No worse then that had under Saddam, if not better. Saddam Hussein was a genocidal, racist dictator, and Iraq will be all the better with him gone.

Please tell me Bush did not say "Crusade" about Iraqi occupation, not once, twice.

Bush is an idiot. What he says in motivational speeches are not an indication on what is happening in Iraq. The present counter-insurgency efforts have no more purpose then to stabalise Iraq under it's new democratic government.

[PurpleScotch]

To free them from a dictator

LOL!

[Shaun]

LOL!

Saddam was not a dictator, is that what you're trying to say?