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    Orientalism refers to the imitation or depiction of aspects of Eastern cultures in the West by writers, designers and artists, and can also refer to a sympathetic stance towards the region by a writer or other person. An "Orientalist" may be a person engaged in these activities, but is also the traditional term for any scholar of Oriental studies.

    These meanings were given a new twist by Edward Said in his controversial 1978 book Orientalism, where he uses the term to describe a tradition, both academic and artistic, of hostile and deprecatory views of the East by the West, shaped by the attitudes of the era of European imperialism in the 18th and 19th centuries. When used in this sense, it often implies essentializing and prejudiced outsider interpretations of Eastern cultures and peoples. Said was critical of this scholarly tradition and also of a few modern scholars, including Princeton University professor Bernard Lewis. In contrast, the term has also been used by some modern scholars to refer to writers of the Imperialist era who had pro-Eastern attitudes, as opposed to those who saw nothing of value in non-Western cultures.

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    so according to these ppl, just because someone expresses admiriation for an ancient foreign culture, they're a ....-ist/...phile?
    some ppl cant seperate politics from academia

    this month, national geographic channel must be a sinophile/orientalist then

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    The epitome of Orientalism.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=4DzcOCyHDqc&feature=related

    Like Arabs are inferior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GH@Z! View Post
    The epitome of Orientalism.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=4DzcOCyHDqc&feature=related

    Like Arabs are inferior.
    whoops reality trumps your claim of "Orientalism"

    The fight scenes in the town were filmed in Kairouan; by then Ford was suffering from dysentery. He had enough, and did not want to shoot a fight scene between Indiana and a swordsman. He said to Spielberg "Why don't we just shoot the sucker?" Spielberg agreed, scrapped the rest of the fight scene, and filmed the gag of Indiana quickly shooting the swordsman.[17]
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    clip with some of the original fight scene



    Another interpretation: what to do when some huge guy with a massive sword wants to kill you and you happen to have a handgun.
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    i dont see much racism, but i do see a fair bit of 'ethnocentrism' which i suppose is racism....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    i dont see much racism, but i do see a fair bit of 'ethnocentrism' which i suppose is racism....
    This comment makes me angry, the only thing in that video thats demonstrated was practicality. You can label it, shout racist and do whatever you want use obscure terms whatever, but this just a scene by a man wha was suffering from dysentery while suffering it, its just a gag and a memorable and really just demonstrates the "red-bloodedness" of Indiana Jones.

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    ethnocentrism? i guess you could say that. However, I see it more as a display of when two cultures clash. The swordsmen clearly believed in fighting and dieing like an honourable warrior, while the American simply wanted to ensure his survival using the best way he saw fit.
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    I see a fair bit of making fun of what inspired Indiana Jones, old dime adventure novels where the hero almost spent at least two pages of it fighting some dude with a huge sword.

    BTW would it have been racist if it instead had happened in Italy and a white guy had had a sword?
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    you know, here in the "East" there was or maybe is "Occidentalism" as well... look at the problems with terrorism these days, they are the result of "Occidentalism" .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivra View Post
    you know, here in the "East" there was or maybe is "Occidentalism" as well... look at the problems with terrorism these days, they are the result of "Occidentalism" .....
    Que? Well, anyways I think your all reading into that clip a little too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nce_wht_guy View Post
    Que? Well, anyways I think your all reading into that clip a little too much.

    I was saying that the "Evil White Dude" thing in many "eastern nations" can be considered "Occidentalism" as well, so i guess nobody is better than the other..

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    oh,alright.
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    I never realised how deep that indiana jones scene was lol... No but it was more supposed to be sword beats gun then west beats east. I basically think your taking that scene for more then it is.
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    'Round my neighborhood, we call 'em WEEABOOS.

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    Again, what?
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    perhaps a more apt example would be the all too common fallacy in hollywood of having an anachronistic westerner practicing eastern martial arts, thereby making it 'worthy' of western recognition eg karate kid, the forbidden kingdom, the last samurai etc etc etc

    cant westerners/americnas empathize with other cultures/races?

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    Those only ism I see in that clip is ing retardedism.

    You know why? Because that sword never existed in real life. Not once. Closest thing to it is from China.
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    Good christ GH@Z, is all you do all day is go round the internet dreaming up racism?

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    No I think he also supports hezbollah... Btw the name is Ghazi with symbols.
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    But getting out-raged by Indiana Jones? That's when you know you've got too much time on your hands

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