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    Iraqi forces aim to be in complete control of Sadr City within 24 hours after some 10,000 troops, backed by tanks, pushed deep into the Baghdad Shia slum in an unprecedented operation.

    Militiamen who have clashed with US and Iraqi soldiers over the past few weeks melted away as the Iraqi Army took control of the streets in the impoverished slum for the first time since the 2003 invasion.

    “We didn't face any resistance or armed aggression. The only challenge was the roadside bombs,” an Iraqi military spokesman said.
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    Soldiers removed 50 such devices during the course of the day as they maneuvered past burnt out buildings and bullet-scarred walls, a testament to the pitched battles that have left hundreds of civilians and militants dead.

    “The operation will continue tomorrow. We expect to be controlling all parts of Sadr City by tomorrow morning,” said spokesman Colonel Qassim Abdul Raheem of the 11th Iraqi Army division, which operates in east Baghdad.

    Much-needed food, water and medical supplies as well as other humanitarian assistance will also start to be delivered to hospitals and families in the newly-retaken parts of Sadr City, he added.

    Until now, Iraqi forces had only distributed aid to the southern third of the district, which the US and Iraqi military took charge of at the end of March, in a move that triggered seven weeks of fighting as they built a long wall to seal the area off.

    The US military carried out repeated airstrikes with Hellfire missiles, while militants launched barrage after barrage of rockets at the fortified Green Zone, home to the Iraqi Government and the US and British embassies.

    A fragile ceasefire between the main Shia political bloc and supporters of Moqtada al-Sadr, the cleric whose al-Mahdi Army militia have controlled Sadr City for the past five years, was finally agreed 10 days ago.

    Fighting had continued despite the truce, but for today the guns lay silent. US forces kept well back, taking no part in the push, dubbed ‘Operation Peace’, with fewer US aircraft evident above the district than on previous days.

    Residents in the teeming slum of some two million people expressed surprise at the sight of Iraqi tanks and troops outside their front door and on the main road.

    “They were deployed everywhere in the city without any fighting or clashes,” said Hider Gassi, a 38-year-old football coach.

    “The general situation is quiet today. Mehdi Army fighters just disappeared. Those who remain are not carrying their guns,” he told The Times.

    Streets were crowded with people going about their usual business among the ruins of buildings damaged in the fighting.

    In a sign of mutual consent to the operation, a spokesman for the Sadr movement said that the presence of Iraqi troops in the Mahdi Army stronghold was in line with the ceasefire.

    "The forces have a right to enter and ensure law and order,” said Salah al-Obeidi. He noted, however, that there had been a violation yesterday when US troops arrested several Sadr City residents.

    The long-anticipated operation comes almost two months after Nouri al-Maliki, the Prime Minister, launched an offensive in Basra, the other no-go Shia area in Iraq that was also largely controlled by the Mehdi Army militia.

    That operation, criticized at the time for being rushed and poorly planned, eventually bore fruit, with Government forces, supported by British and US troops, taking charge of the southern oil hub.

    The battle for Basra also triggered widespread fighting between Shia militants and US and Iraqi troops throughout the south up to Baghdad, igniting the renewed conflict in Sadr City, which has always been a trouble spot.

    Gaining control of Sadr City would mark another symbolic victory for Mr Maliki, himself a Shia Arab, who was sworn in as Prime Minister exactly two years ago.

    Some people suspect, however, that the apparent successes in Basra and Sadr City are forged on a compromise with the Mahdi Army. They say that the militia has not been beaten but it instead simply chose not to resist, and could still pose a threat in the future if it chose.

    In addition, US commanders believe that Iranian-backed splinter groups of the Mahdi Army that no longer listen to Moqtada al-Sadr, its leader, are the main culprits behind the hostilities.

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    Yea, Al-Sadr agreed to allow the Iraqi Army to take control of Sadr City, as long as the US military was not involved. I'd take that as a double blessing towards success in Iraq:

    1. Sadr City comes under control.

    2. There is starting be some trust in the Iraqi Army and Iraqi government. They can start taking over.

    Maybe by November the situation will be so that the US can start to withdraw and leave a stable government. I'd like to see at least a small force of around 10,000 stay for the foreseeable future no matter how this starts to turn out as a dettirent of foreign aggression.

    I'd actually maybe start a measured drawdown in a few months based on the recommendation of General Petreaus. By this I mean perhaps withdraw a brigade, wait a month to examine the consequences, then if the situation permits, withdraw another brigade and do the same. Not a withdraw as in a retreat, but a draw down of troops as the Iraqis start to take control.

    Actually we are reducing the numbers in Iraq by 3 Brigades from 17 to 14 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080519/...op_deployments
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    Default Re: 10,000 Iraqi Troops march into Sadr City; establish permanent presence

    farnan
    do u expect eventual total US withdrawal from iraq?

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    Not a complete withdraw within the foreseable future, we're likely to keep troops there for a while in a supporting role and as a detterent for Iraq's neighbors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Not a complete withdraw within the foreseable future, we're likely to keep troops there for a while in a supporting role and as a detterent for Iraq's neighbors.
    meaning never, especially with those superbases there.
    ah wells, at least the iraqis are taking more responsibility in governing themselves

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    meaning never, especially with those superbases there.
    ah wells, at least the iraqis are taking more responsibility in governing themselves
    Not never, just the foreseable future. Right after WWII we thought we would always have bases in the Phillipines, but we don't anymore. Same for France. Likely we will keep at least a limited number of our soldiers there until the Iraqi government says they don't want them, which may not be a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Not never, just the foreseable future. Right after WWII we thought we would always have bases in the Phillipines, but we don't anymore. Same for France.
    What if we use Germany or Japan as an example?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapax View Post
    What if we use Germany or Japan as an example?
    That is an example for staying for a long time, but I think the Phillipines and France as better examples as the Iraqis and Americans aren't exactly the best of friends and I see the Iraqis asking us to leave after they no longer need us. I don't see us becoming enemies, likely becoming allies after this is done, but more like the the US and France than the US and the UK.
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    Germany and japan might be better examples. France and the Philippines were liberated, germany and japan conquered. Iraq was conquered, so it looks like a better comparison.

    I certainly don't expect to ever withdraw from Iraq, just like I don't expect to withdraw from Japan or Germany.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidmen View Post
    I certainly don't expect to ever withdraw from Iraq, just like I don't expect to withdraw from Japan or Germany.
    Germany and Japan are now allies of the USA. There's no reason why America should have troops in Germany anymore, except for the fact we're in the same military alliance (which is, of course, good).



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    ja, i agree
    america is there for the long term
    no US puppet is ever going to 'ask' the americans to leave.
    like in a rich country like japan; no matter how many sexual assaults occur over there, the americans wont be asked to leave...

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    They won't have permanent bases in Iraq, they will leave after a few years. Why stay in such a hostile place when you have perfectly good bases in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia right next door?

    Anyways, back on topic: I'm surprised by the look of those Iraqi troops. I never knew their forces were so Americanized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyNameIsGreat View Post
    They won't have permanent bases in Iraq, they will leave after a few years. Why stay in such a hostile place when you have perfectly good bases in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia right next door?

    Anyways, back on topic: I'm surprised by the look of those Iraqi troops. I never knew their forces were so Americanized.
    yeh, it must be the macdonalds in iraq, making them look america
    iraq has a of oil-and in this way, the USG controls iraq more effectively than saudi arabia where chinese and european firms jostle for oil deals.
    with iraq, the american admin. has guaranteed ameican oil for at least the next decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyNameIsGreat View Post
    Anyways, back on topic: I'm surprised by the look of those Iraqi troops. I never knew their forces were so Americanized.
    That's because the US trains them and supplies them with everything from surplus uniforms to surplus rifles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyNameIsGreat View Post
    They won't have permanent bases in Iraq, they will leave after a few years. Why stay in such a hostile place when you have perfectly good bases in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia right next door?

    Anyways, back on topic: I'm surprised by the look of those Iraqi troops. I never knew their forces were so Americanized.
    that was what exaclty i was going to say

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    That's because the US trains them and supplies them with everything from surplus uniforms to surplus rifles.
    LOL, and surplus T-72 tanks... Thats a BMP-2 in the background too.

    Which is confusing, I thought we blew all those up during the war. Are they buying new ones from Russia or what?

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    Germany and Japan are now allies of the USA. There's no reason why America should have troops in Germany anymore, except for the fact we're in the same military alliance (which is, of course, good).
    The bases are shrinking, but you'll never see a total withdrawal. Unless we're forced out through military means. Having several thousand troops in a major country is a valuable strategic asset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidmen View Post
    LOL, and surplus T-72 tanks... Thats a BMP-2 in the background too.

    Which is confusing, I thought we blew all those up during the war. Are they buying new ones from Russia or what?
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    http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...planned-01512/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidmen View Post

    The bases are shrinking, but you'll never see a total withdrawal. Unless we're forced out through military means. Having several thousand troops in a major country is a valuable strategic asset.
    I wouldn't want them to completely withdraw. They're a valuable security asset for the Bundeswehr to work with.



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    The fundamental difference in this 'ceasefire' from the those before is that there are now 10,000 Iraqi troops in the city backed, by Iraqi armor, and they took it without firing a shot. The last time we had a significant presence in the city, it was US soldiers, and they had to fight for every block.

    From what I have been hearing, Sadr isn't even in control any longer, he has been forced out, and internal assassinations within the leadership in Iraq, have led to moderates taking over control both politically and militarily. The military coup, if you will, took a bit longer to complete as hard line generals loyal to Sadr simply wanted to fight on.

    The violence and attacks we saw against the coalition in recent months was simply a spill over from the certain factions within Sadrs leadership fighting one another, which for some reason escaped the mass media.
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    Neat, thanks.

    I suppose 77 tanks for a little over 4 million dollars is quite good, even if they're outdated.
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