View Poll Results: Should the Police beallowed to strike?

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    I was thinking about what would happen should the police strike.

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    Police officers in England and Wales have voted by a big majority to lobby the government for the right to strike.


    Of those who voted, 93% wanted independent Police Arbitration Tribunal decisions to be made binding.
    And in the absence of binding arbitration, 86% said the Police Federation should lobby for officers to be allowed "full industrial rights".
    The vote followed a dispute over a 2.5% pay rise to be awarded in stages, which reduced the overall increase to 1.9%.


    'Trust betrayed'

    The result of the ballot was announced at the Police Federation's conference in Bournemouth.
    Ballot papers were sent to 140,000 police constables, sergeants and inspectors, and 60,572 of them voted - a turn-out of 43%.
    An informal survey of 9,000 members of the Police Federation in Northern Ireland produced similar results on a "satisfactory turnout".

    Police Federation chairman Jan Berry said there was a sense of "betrayal" when agreement was not reached over pay. She told BBC News: "Because we don't have the right to take industrial action, we have arbitration.
    "Arbitration is binding on the police officers and it wasn't binding and it isn't binding on the home secretary.
    "Whilst we've had 28 years of being able to trust the government to honour either the arbitration finding or the agreement of the Police Negotiating Board, last December they decided to betray that trust."
    Ms Berry added it was not a vote for strike action, but a go-ahead to lobby the government on the issue.


    Lost trust

    Paul McKeever, chairman of the federation's sergeants' committee, told delegates that the prime minister had "lost the trust and respect of the police service in the United Kingdom".
    He said: "Gordon Brown must know that as police officers we can smell unfairness a mile away and unfortunately there is an awful stench about his behaviour."
    In January, officers decided to seek the views of their colleagues following a mass rally in London.
    More than 20,000 officers marched on Westminster following Home Secretary Jacqui Smith's pay decision.
    Police officers were asked whether they should lobby for the right to strike - in addition to other industrial rights - if ministers failed to abide with pay arbitration deals.
    Work and Pensions Secretary John Hutton, whose remit includes industrial relations, said he believed it was unlikely that police officers would strike.
    "I don't think there's a police officer in the country who wants to strike and let's hope we never get anywhere near to that position," he said.

    Arbitration system

    Keith Vaz, Labour chairman of the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee, said he fully understood why the police had voted for the action.
    He said: "I urge the home secretary to immediately enter into a dialogue with the leaders of the federation to ensure that the necessity for them to take such action is considerably diminished, if not eliminated."
    Shadow home secretary David Davis said the government had been "dishonourable" in its behaviour towards the police.
    The Conservatives have proposed an arbitration system which could only be overruled by the House of Commons, which Mr Davis said would be "fair, transparent and serve the public interest".
    The police are currently banned from going on strike or taking other industrial action, and any such action is a criminal offence.
    At their conference, members of the Scottish Police Federation rejected the right to demand full strike action but voted narrowly in favour of seeking other industrial rights.
    There was less anger about pay levels in Scotland as police officers had their 2007-8 pay rise backdated to September 2007 giving them the full benefit of the 2.5% increase.
    Colleagues in other parts of the UK had their increase backdated only to December.

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    no, part of essential services, like fire department.
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    Default Re: Should police have the right to strike?

    Even in injustice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe kb8 View Post
    Even in injustice?
    the result of them venting their complaint through strike can be deadly for many innocent people.

    i guess they will hae to suck it up, or find other ways to have their demand met.
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    Default Re: Should police have the right to strike?

    no. the army does not strike, nor should the police. the police (much like the forces) isnt just a job, its a lifestyle. and i dont think you should be able to strike in such a vital job.

    if you dont like whats going on in the police, dont join, or leave. the police get paid more then the average person as it is. and much more then soilders and firefighters

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    Absolutely not. The police perform a valuable and vital service to this country; without this Britain would fall apart.
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    I voted no, but what other means could they get what they want? After all they require the same rights as everyone else.

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    No, the Police is a governmental organization exists to enforce laws, enforce order and give the people sense of security. When the police strike, anarchy is possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe kb8 View Post
    I voted no, but what other means could they get what they want? After all they require the same rights as everyone else.
    Depends on what they want, really.
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    Default Re: Should police have the right to strike?

    wage rise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe kb8 View Post
    wage rise.
    I would say maybe partial strike, like stopping the activities that aren't life-and-death matters.

    like....I dont know lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushbush View Post
    I would say maybe partial strike, like stopping the activities that aren't life-and-death matters.

    like....I dont know lol.
    Well in that case they could argue shutting down, Fraud prevention, anti drug enforcement, fallow ups on hit and runs, and calls to arrest shop lifters who have been caught.
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    just do as they do in Belgium.
    They don't strike, they go on a walk and by accident meet all their colleagues during the walk.!
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    just because they carry out an important duty does not mean they shouldnt be allowed to protest against idiotic government policies.

    this kind of thing is exactly why teachers, firemen, police and the armed forces cant do about it when brown and co decide to screw them over...

    They need to fight back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carach View Post
    just because they carry out an important duty does not mean they shouldnt be allowed to protest against idiotic government policies.

    this kind of thing is exactly why teachers, firemen, police and the armed forces cant do about it when brown and co decide to screw them over...

    They need to fight back.
    fight back?

    by holding the society hostage?

    that's not cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushbush View Post
    fight back?

    by holding the society hostage?

    that's not cool.
    isnt that what all unions do when they want more from their government.

    Its not their fualt that the people we put our faith in to govern responsibly, arent governing responsibly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carach View Post
    isnt that what all unions do when they want more from their government.

    Its not their fualt that the people we put our faith in to govern responsibly, arent governing responsibly.
    well, other unions, like auto workers, or whatever, don't really hold the society hostage when they strike.

    if teachers strike, they are using children as chips in their negotiations.

    if firemen and polices strike, they are using people's lives as chips for their negotiations.

    the cost of them going to strike and risking lives of innocents is greater than letting them vent out their complaints, valid or not. There have to be other channels the public can put pressure on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushbush View Post
    well, other unions, like auto workers, or whatever, don't really hold the society hostage when they strike.

    if teachers strike, they are using children as chips in their negotiations.

    if firemen and polices strike, they are using people's lives as chips for their negotiations.

    the cost of them going to strike and risking lives of innocents is greater than letting them vent out their complaints, valid or not. There have to be other channels the public can put pressure on them.
    and thus u prove my point. They are held hostage and so the government feel they can exploit this by not giving these valuable groups what they rightfully deserve.

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    Except if the teachers strike society doesn't fall apart.
    yea well the teachers are stupid in that they have like half a dozen unions, thus they never have a united front against government exploitation - one group goes on strike none of the otehrs do.. so little effect, etcetc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carach View Post
    isnt that what all unions do when they want more from their government.

    Its not their fualt that the people we put our faith in to govern responsibly, arent governing responsibly.
    Except if the teachers strike society doesn't fall apart.

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    Police, fire, garbage collectors cant be allowed to strike...their impact is too huge. Hell I agreed with Reagan handling air traffic controllers too. Basically if the job can impact society massively it cant be allowed to strike. Usually with cops here in NYC you see alot of sick days or drastic reduction in traffic tickets (hurting the city) rather then strikes in labor disputes.

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