A Ptolemaic province in the Aegean.

[Mulattothrasher]

Ok, in a nutshell, the Ptolemaic Empire did not loose their Aegean territories until the Roman vs. Macedonian conflict during Phillip V's reign. Livy 31 says Phillip V took all of Ptolemaic Thrace which includes Kallipolis (modern Gallipoli/Gelibolu), Kypsela (modern Ispsala), Ainos/Aenus, and Maroneia sometime around 200 B.C.

The area is somewhat smallish but definitely not insignificant. Including this area would mirror the strategic situation in the Aegean and make it much more interesting for the Macedonian, Ptolemaic, and Pergamon players too.


Heres a couple maps corresponding to some possessions. I've circled a few cities that Livy mentioned






An overview from Livius.org




And I suppose this is the aftermath of the 200 B.C. conquests by Phillip V

[Bebbe]

Interesting.
I say: Do it. Really.

Would add alot to the campaign IMHO.

[rory o'kane]

absolutely... are we able to represent this province?
maybe giving the ptolemies an army or two in a few forts in a free-people region would be a good idea, if the city itself can't be given over??

[cherryfunk]

It's a good idea -- can we give them an existing region or do the regions have to be shifted around?

[MarcusTullius]

Sounds like a good idea, with sound historical foundations behind it

[dvk901]

The closest would be a region called 'Krinides' (Kypsela?) which is right square on the spot in the third map down that's shown as Ptolemic.
However, the city name would have to be changed...it's currently 'Phillppi'. But are we ABSOLUTELY sure of the historicity of this?
We've investigated this before.

If the third map down is accurate for the start date, then all of lower Anatolia should be given to the Ptolemics, and all of Cyrenaica...both east and west.

[Mulattothrasher]

The closest would be a region called 'Krinides' (Kypsela?) which is right square on the spot in the third map down that's shown as Ptolemic.
However, the city name would have to be changed...it's currently 'Phillppi'. But are we ABSOLUTELY sure of the historicity of this?
We've investigated this before.

If the third map down is accurate for the start date, then all of lower Anatolia should be given to the Ptolemics, and all of Cyrenaica...both east and west.

The livius map says end of 3rd century. Its not specific on the date but it shows Ptolemaic possessions at least before Philip V grabbed them as shown in the last map.


Other stuff:
http://books.google.com/books?id=cLB...3kfA#PPA137,M1

Livy 31:http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/txt/ah/Livy/Livy31.html

[31.16]Philip showed a more kingly spirit. Though he had not held his own against Attalus and the Rhodians he was not alarmed even at the prospect of a war with Rome. Philocles, one of his generals, was sent with a force of 2000 infantry and 200 cavalry to ravage the lands of the Athenians, and Heraclides was placed in charge of the fleet with instructions to sail for Maronea. Philip himself marched thither overland with 2000 men in light marching order, and took the place at the first assault. Aenos gave him a good deal of trouble, but he finally effected its capture through the treachery of Callimedes, who was holding the place for Ptolemy. Cypsela, Doriscos and Serrheum were taken in rapid succession and he then advanced to the Chersonese where Elaeus and Alopeconnesus voluntarily surrendered. Callipolis and Madytos fell through treachery; together with some other unimportant fortified places. The people of Abydos would not even admit his envoys and closed their gates against the king. The siege of this place detained Philip for a considerable time, and if Attalus and the Rhodians had shown the smallest energy they might have saved the place. Attalus sent only 300 men to assist in the defence and the Rhodians despatched one quadrireme out of their fleet which was lying at anchor off Tenedos. Later on, when they could hardly hold out any longer, Attalus himself sailed to Tenedos, and after raising their hopes by his approach did not afford his allies any assistance either by land or sea.

[cherryfunk]

That map might be approximating control and influence over a certain period -- because a faction 'ruled' a certain location doesn't always mean they actually had any control there...

[rory o'kane]

true. and wasn't phillipi a really important city? we can't just get rid of it, can we?

[MarcusTullius]

true. and wasn't phillipi a really important city? we can't just get rid of it, can we?

It was an important city, only taken over by the Romans in 168BC.

[zznɟ ǝɥʇ]

Maybe throw half a stack over there, so a resourceful player can maybe take a free people settlement, but the AI would squander it?

If it's historical, of course...

[rory o'kane]

i agree. the human player would recruit mercs to bolster their forces (realistically), whereas the AI would probably withdraw the army if it had a fleet available...