When did the fore fathers say America was made for immigrants?

[Ulyaoth]

Everytime people get into the argument of illegal immigration, people always chant the same crap of, "everyone's an immigrant," and " America was made for immigrants."

First of all, who said so? I can't remember the forefathers setting forth any plans to get all the poor from around the world to come to America. Also, I can't remember them saying that we should bend over backwards to accomodate whoever feels like coming here above all our own interests and never expecting that they should want to be a part of this country rather than just turn it into the hellhole they came from.

Sure, so it happened that millions of immigrants came to America and built it into what it is today, so what, if we don't feel like letting any more in that's our business, the forefather's never said we had to let them in so I say we can make up our own minds on it rather than decide we have to because we were immigrants too.

My main issue I'm getting at of course is Mexicans. I don't like 'em. Most I've met have no interest in being part of this country, they don't want to be Americans, but what's more annoying is that they expect we should ing accomodate them in every possible way, put everything in spanish, everyone learn spanish, change the ing signs to spanish because they can't learn the language of the country they're leeching off of. They want social security and welfare and whatever else but don't want to have to take on the responsibilities of this country, and what pisses me off even more is the ing bleeding hearts who act like it's our job to accomodate them and make anyplace they feel like going a miniMexico so they feel comfortable, or giving them driving licenses and social security, or marching with them when they hold their marches declaring that they're illegals which always piss me off because as far as I'm concerned anyone participating in such a protest should be arrested and deported back where they came from.

Before anyone can say I'm racist or something, I'm not, I have nothing wrong with hispanics, I'd be fine with kids being taught Spanish and things being in Spanish as well due to the many Spanish speaking places in our vicinity the same as things have been put in French for the canadians for years, but to see all the spanish pandering for a group that doesn't belong here pisses me off. And I know of plenty of Colombians and Puerto Ricans who are here legally that I have no problem with, as most of them speak english and many I've met hate Mexicans themselves anyway. I know of plenty of Polish and asian immigrants who hate them as well.

I've probably ranted noncoherently but I've got one last point to make. I also see many people act like the Mexicans are the most discriminated against group in US history, like they're having the hardest time being let into society. , no other immigrant group has had such crap handed to them and such accomodations made for them, they've had the easiest time coming here and should stop ing.

[roy34543]

Always how it is . People never really like the immigrants in their countrys.
You know. Muslims in europe. Palestenians in Israel , White men in some countries in africa.
But i think that when it comes down to it, Virtually everyone always cries about how X country should be treating Y better, Its usually not that countrys opinion (or in america , Since its so vast ,that states opinion) that immigrants should be treated better. More often its others who dont have any (or much) influence from it.

[Heinz Guderian]

Always how it is . People never really like the immigrants in their countrys.
You know. . Palestenians in Israel.

A sad face lol.

[Exarch]

Always how it is . People never really like the immigrants in their countrys.
You know. Muslims in europe. Palestenians in Israel , White men in some countries in africa.
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it's the other way around with the statement in bold roy34543.

@topic
the issue of immigration is more the startling feeling by ppl in the host nation of meeting ppl from a starkly different background to themselves.
eg, here in oz, the fearful attitude towards migrants isnt directed towards white seth efricans as much as it was directed towards chinese/asian australian immigrants (ref. chaser episode), and in some cases, last yr when there was a bit of a media backlash against sudanese.

[Senno]

it's the other way around with the statement in bold roy34543.

the issue of immigration is more the startling feeling by ppl in the host nation of meeting ppl from a starkly different background to themselves.
eg, here in oz, the fearful attitude towards migrants isnt directed towards white seth efricans as much as it was directed towards chinese/asian australian immigrants (ref. chaser episode), and in some cases, last yr when there was a bit of a media backlash against sudanese.

It can be generalized like that. Yet lost in the shuffle is the fact that we are the most diverse nation on earth. Yet I see statements made that we are xenophobic. Not true, witness the diversity of our society. We don't fear immigration as a whole. We welcome it, as witnessed by our diversity. We want the illegal immigtration to stop, though.

Here's the US Census 2000 page for review.

[jankren]

Why only attack 'Mini Mexico'? There are 'Mini Italy', 'Mini Korea' and 'Mini China' in USA too. Only the difference is Mexicans make up the largest minority among them all due to Mexico's close proximity to USA therefore they have more 'Mini Mexicos'. I live in a 'Mini Vietnam' in California and everywhere here there is signs in Vietnamese.

[MaximiIian]

Why only attack 'Mini Mexico'? There are 'Mini Italy', 'Mini Korea' and 'Mini China' in USA too. Only the difference is Mexicans make up the largest minority among them all due to Mexico's close proximity to USA therefore they have more 'Mini Mexicos'. I live in a 'Mini Vietnam' in California and everywhere here there is signs in Vietnamese.

The difference is that most of the other minorities immigrated under fully legal means. On the other hand, due to Mexico's proximity and poor border control, a vast amount of Mexican immigrants are illegally immigrating rather than legally.

Legal immigration is fine. Illegal immigration is problematic. Regardless of the people immigrating.

[jankren]

The difference is that most of the other minorities immigrated under fully legal means.

Yes, they came legally as tourists and overstayed. Not exactly much difference ...

not contradictory, you didn't read, I said I'd be fine with it being taught and displayed as an option like French has been for years, feeling required to learn spanish because of people who don't belong here is pissing me off. Most Puerto Ricans and Colombians I know as I think I said speak English.

English is a required foreign language in countless countries around the world. Why? Because it is a useful language for the people in those countries to interact with people from other nations. For 12 years I had to learn mandatory English in school and I too always said "Why the should I learn this stupid foreign language which I will hardly use anyway?" And God I was wrong.

Now Americans already speak English. So what language will be useful for them? Of course Spanish is the most important because it is the second major language in the region that will more likely to come in handy for Americans than French or German language.

So just quit your Mexican-phobia. Find yourself some Mexican friends and try to mingle with them. Trust me you will learn that they are not much different than you.

[Gelgoog]

My main issue I'm getting at of course is Mexicans. I don't like 'em. Most I've met have no interest in being part of this country, they don't want to be Americans, but what's more annoying is that they expect we should ing accomodate them in every possible way, put everything in spanish, everyone learn spanish, change the ing signs to spanish because they can't learn the language of the country they're leeching off of. They want social security and welfare and whatever else but don't want to have to take on the responsibilities of this country, and what pisses me off even more is the ing bleeding hearts who act like it's our job to accomodate them and make anyplace they feel like going a miniMexico so they feel comfortable, or giving them driving licenses and social security, or marching with them when they hold their marches declaring that they're illegals which always piss me off because as far as I'm concerned anyone participating in such a protest should be arrested and deported back where they came from.

its not racist. the tradition of the melting pot is disappearing because mexicans say screw you. were not going to obey the laws and enter legally, so were not going to pay taxes. were not going to get a regular doctor who demands insurance, instead were going to go to the emergency room for a cold and not pay our bill bankrupting hospitals all over the US. were not going to speak spanish, so schools need to start becoming duel language schools. my ASS, if you come into this country to live the american dream as a citizen, then you better adapt and not think others are going to do it for you. and if you enter it illegally you should be shot for all I care because your the major problem.

[Vladimir Lenin]

Everytime people get into the argument of illegal immigration, people always chant the same crap of, "everyone's an immigrant," and " America was made for immigrants."

First of all, who said so? I can't remember the forefathers setting forth any plans to get all the poor from around the world to come to America. Also, I can't remember them saying that we should bend over backwards to accomodate whoever feels like coming here above all our own interests and never expecting that they should want to be a part of this country rather than just turn it into the hellhole they came from.

Sure, so it happened that millions of immigrants came to America and built it into what it is today, so what, if we don't feel like letting any more in that's our business, the forefather's never said we had to let them in so I say we can make up our own minds on it rather than decide we have to because we were immigrants too.

My main issue I'm getting at of course is Mexicans. I don't like 'em. Most I've met have no interest in being part of this country, they don't want to be Americans, but what's more annoying is that they expect we should ing accomodate them in every possible way, put everything in spanish, everyone learn spanish, change the ing signs to spanish because they can't learn the language of the country they're leeching off of. They want social security and welfare and whatever else but don't want to have to take on the responsibilities of this country, and what pisses me off even more is the ing bleeding hearts who act like it's our job to accomodate them and make anyplace they feel like going a miniMexico so they feel comfortable, or giving them driving licenses and social security, or marching with them when they hold their marches declaring that they're illegals which always piss me off because as far as I'm concerned anyone participating in such a protest should be arrested and deported back where they came from.

Before anyone can say I'm racist or something, I'm not, I have nothing wrong with hispanics, I'd be fine with kids being taught Spanish and things being in Spanish as well due to the many Spanish speaking places in our vicinity the same as things have been put in French for the canadians for years, but to see all the spanish pandering for a group that doesn't belong here pisses me off. And I know of plenty of Colombians and Puerto Ricans who are here legally that I have no problem with, as most of them speak english and many I've met hate Mexicans themselves anyway. I know of plenty of Polish and asian immigrants who hate them as well.

I've probably ranted noncoherently but I've got one last point to make. I also see many people act like the Mexicans are the most discriminated against group in US history, like they're having the hardest time being let into society. , no other immigrant group has had such crap handed to them and such accomodations made for them, they've had the easiest time coming here and should stop ing.

1. What were the forefathers? Immigrants.

2. We grant them the signs in spanish for practical reasons, if someone is a new immigrant and they see a stop sign, they won't know what it is. It's kind of to help them transition.

3. See the Welfare Act of 1996 for Immigrants and Welfare information.

4. Not all Mexicans are illegal immigrants. Not all Mexicans want society to bendover backwards for them. Not all Mexicans want to leech off welfare.

5. You have been a little contradictory, you say:

but what's more annoying is that they expect we should ing accomodate them in every possible way, put everything in spanish, everyone learn spanish, change the ing signs to spanish

But then you say:

I'd be fine with kids being taught Spanish and things being in Spanish

6. Finally, your fear is ungrounded, I'm sure some immigrants are exactly as you described. But just because some immigrants are that way, does not mean that immigrants are that way.

[Rush Limbaugh]

If America wasnt for immigrants the Indians would still be in control of it.

[jarnomiedema]

Maybe George Washington and Thomas Jefferson didn't ever say directly that America was made for immigrants, but they were the direct product of immigration whether they realized it or not.. Even before the time they were born, America already had a substantial amount of inhabitants of English, Scottish, Irish, Dutch, German, French, Danish and Swedish descent.. So the argument 'we're all immigrants' still stands..

The only people who have a right to say that America was never meant for immigrants are the Native Americans.. But for some reason nobody ever listens to what they have to say..

As for Mexicans / Latin Americans, I can imagine the frustration at having people inside your country that don't put much effort into learning the language, culture and customs, but is that really what you want? Having a neighbour of Mexican descent that speaks perfect English and is more Anglo-Saxon in his behaviour than you could ever hope to be? Not only is that impossible, it's unrealistic.. Integration is a two-way street. In order to grow as a society, exposure to other cultures, opinions and languages goes a long way to understanding other people's positions..

[Rush Limbaugh]

In order to grow as a society, exposure to other cultures, opinions and languages goes a long way to understanding other people's positions..


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Do that and you wind up like Rome. The barbarians will take over and you lose your culture. If you want to come to america learn what it means to be an american and become one.

[Last Roman]

Do that and you wind up like Rome. The barbarians will take over and you lose your culture.

that is such a gross misunderstanding of history, I dont even know where to begin. Pat Buchanan is not a good history teacher

[John I Tzimisces]

Do that and you wind up like Rome. The barbarians will take over and you lose your culture. If you want to come to america learn what it means to be an american and become one.

Too bad that didn't really happen in the real world, eh?

[vopohame]

He got that confused when the english did it in 1763(smallpox blankets).

Actually 2/3 of america is still being negotiated in the supreme court with native america. Like when the supreme court ruled not to long ago that most of new york is now legally under the control of the iroquois because the 99 year lease is up. So they negotiated that the reservations would get casino's and a small bit of land instead of evacuating the entire western population of new york state.

America has always had a history of anti immigrant behavior, anti italians, anti germans, anti irish, anti jew etc. We even had a party called the know-nothings. OMG the irish are going to bring in their catholism and soil our great white republic with their racially inferior people coloured people. Americans at the time didn't think irish were white! The germans would corrupt us as well with their beer and german ways... Italians didnt want to join america and they kept speaking italian instead of english.

Its been done before and will be again.... Americans are typically overreacting to another ethnic group. Its funny conservatives are shooting themselves in the foot. Mexicans are pro-family, anti abortion, anti homosexual rights and the fastest growing evangelical movement in the World.
Stupid conservatives. If only they paid attention they could rule america for a thousand years.



On a side note i do have a problem with too many germans because they pass stupid ordinances in my county about having grass no longer than six inches! They then i pay taxes to their stupid committees so they can employ people to walk around with a ruler to see if your grass is longer than 6 inches!
Plus their women are all big boned and muscular and look like men....ug

[thebigbossnahhh]

Everytime people get into the argument of illegal immigration, people always chant the same crap of, "everyone's an immigrant," and " America was made for immigrants."

First of all, who said so? I can't remember the forefathers setting forth any plans to get all the poor from around the world to come to America. Also, I can't remember them saying that we should bend over backwards to accomodate whoever feels like coming here above all our own interests and never expecting that they should want to be a part of this country rather than just turn it into the hellhole they came from.

Sure, so it happened that millions of immigrants came to America and built it into what it is today, so what, if we don't feel like letting any more in that's our business, the forefather's never said we had to let them in so I say we can make up our own minds on it rather than decide we have to because we were immigrants too.

My main issue I'm getting at of course is Mexicans. I don't like 'em. Most I've met have no interest in being part of this country, they don't want to be Americans, but what's more annoying is that they expect we should ing accomodate them in every possible way, put everything in spanish, everyone learn spanish, change the ing signs to spanish because they can't learn the language of the country they're leeching off of. They want social security and welfare and whatever else but don't want to have to take on the responsibilities of this country, and what pisses me off even more is the ing bleeding hearts who act like it's our job to accomodate them and make anyplace they feel like going a miniMexico so they feel comfortable, or giving them driving licenses and social security, or marching with them when they hold their marches declaring that they're illegals which always piss me off because as far as I'm concerned anyone participating in such a protest should be arrested and deported back where they came from.

Before anyone can say I'm racist or something, I'm not, I have nothing wrong with hispanics, I'd be fine with kids being taught Spanish and things being in Spanish as well due to the many Spanish speaking places in our vicinity the same as things have been put in French for the canadians for years, but to see all the spanish pandering for a group that doesn't belong here pisses me off. And I know of plenty of Colombians and Puerto Ricans who are here legally that I have no problem with, as most of them speak english and many I've met hate Mexicans themselves anyway. I know of plenty of Polish and asian immigrants who hate them as well.

I've probably ranted noncoherently but I've got one last point to make. I also see many people act like the Mexicans are the most discriminated against group in US history, like they're having the hardest time being let into society. , no other immigrant group has had such crap handed to them and such accomodations made for them, they've had the easiest time coming here and should stop ing.

Shame America didn't give the Native American's the same option; They just wiped most of them off the Earth, took their lands by force.

If it's a moral argument for being in America, sorry but there is none.
If it was a Native American saying this then I would understand their plight but in the end White Europeans stole it and now they complain that they're losing it; Can't say that I feel sorry for ya or similar when the race issue comes into it.

Sounds like Boo Hoo talk to me.

[Gelgoog]

Shame America didn't give the Native American's the same option; They just wiped most of them off the Earth, took their lands by force.

If it's a moral argument for being in America, sorry but there is none.
If it was a Native American saying this then I would understand their plight but in the end White Europeans stole it and now they complain that they're losing it; Can't say that I feel sorry for ya or similar when the race issue comes into it.

Sounds like Boo Hoo talk to me.

to the victor goes the spoils.

[SorelusImperion]

Do that and you wind up like Rome. The barbarians will take over and you lose your culture. If you want to come to america learn what it means to be an american and become one.

You think the USA is going to execute it's Mexican Stilicho ?
"Barbarians" worked for Rome, fought for Rome, died for Rome. They did this for centurys but they weren't granted the place as citizens they desired.

Alarich the man who conquered and plundered the urbs eterna itself REPEATEDLY tried to integrate, negotiate and to become an accepted member of the Roman society something wich the Emperor (Honorius) and the Romans denied him and his people.

[Senno]

Shame America didn't give the Native American's the same option; They just wiped most of them off the Earth, took their lands by force.

If it's a moral argument for being in America, sorry but there is none.
If it was a Native American saying this then I would understand their plight but in the end White Europeans stole it and now they complain that they're losing it; Can't say that I feel sorry for ya or similar when the race issue comes into it.

Hello, nice to meet you. I am 1/8th Cherokee. Yet I am not part of a tribe, not pure enough. Besides, the other 7/8 of me is quite "melting pot." I am not exactly Cherokee as a Cherokee would expect me to be. And that is fine with me.

Here is a bit of info on American Indians. You will find quite a lot of Americans on their lands throughout the United States, they actually do still exist.

In California we have Indian gaming. The tribes are able to build casinos on their land, and make amazing profit. The tribes that do this do quite well. Here's some info on Indian gaming in CA.

As to illegal immigration, that's an amazingly separate issue from legal immigration into this country. I find legal immigration from Mexico quite necessary. There are jobs they do, which they wish to do, that others don't wish to do and won't. Farming here relies on their labor extensively, for example.

As to mini-Vietnam. Is that actually a mini-Hmong setting? We immigrated several hundred thousand Hmong here after the Vietnam war. They are trying to get along, same as everyone else. But most of them are legal. We need to bring the others over from Thailand and wherever else they are. We promised them that.

Maybe we should start posts about France. Compare and contrast French positions on various issues against the US. As you will see, French immigration laws and issues are quite complicated. Yet no one's really screaming at France. Just us. Why is that?