World Capital Revolution

**Resurrection** · May 17, 2008, 03:37 PM

Well this is definitely a bug and serious one.

Since AI for god-knows-what-reasons use just one unit as a garisson and all garisson units let just standing next to the city usually, there is what happens...

The settlements rebel!

I noticed it before, but now I tried with toggle fow and in year 1087 capital cities of Kwazimier, Novgorod, Hungary, Poland, Ireland, Norway and Byzantine Empire simply rebelled - all in one turn - real World Capital Revolution.

Can somebody do anything about this please? What causes it anyway?

**Chim** · May 18, 2008, 02:05 AM

Are you using version 6.0?

**Resurrection** · May 18, 2008, 02:53 AM

Originally Posted by Chimaeira

Are you using version 6.0?

Nope, 6.1... but I think 6.0 had the same issue, just not so massive :-)

**Chim** · May 18, 2008, 02:59 AM

That's strange.

It should have been fixed in 6.1. I for one don't have the problems you describe. Perhaps you should reinstall 6.1.

**Resurrection** · May 18, 2008, 03:30 AM

Originally Posted by Chimaeira

That's strange.

It should have been fixed in 6.1. I for one don't have the problems you describe. Perhaps you should reinstall 6.1.

Got the idea as well, will try it reproduce it again.

Well, I tried it on fresh install of SS6.1 and still the same problem. Till the turn 25 capitals of: Norway, Portugal, Novogord, Turks, Kwazemier, Kiev rebelled and several other settlements as well. The problem is definitely not solved!

**Quark** · May 19, 2008, 05:15 AM

Chimaeira
Are you referring to the use of garrison_army in descr_stat, as I do not believe thats in 6.1 eg

level large_town
region London_Province

year_founded 0
population 4200
plan_set default_set
faction_creator england
garrisoned_army
unit Levy Spearmen exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Levy Spearmen exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Longbowmen exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Longbowmen exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

I have not tested the theory yet, but understand it requires you to move current family member + army outside city.

**Resurrection** · May 19, 2008, 05:40 AM

I did some research for this issue as it's game breaking for me...

descr_settlements_mechanics.xml and altering it's values to be softer on AI (less required garisson and lower high tax penalty). Not much help, still lot of settlements rebel early on.

Then I got an idea it might be due to low loyalty or civil war and thus rebelling some family members as settlements to rebel are often capitals or core provinces. Removing triggers for loyalty of the export_character_traits.txt did not help either and I noticed, that family members were kicked out of settlement by its "revolution". So it's definitely not the case.

Currently I am a bit confused as I cannot think of anything else what could cause this. Garissoned_army as Quark mentioned is not part of current SS6.1 descr_strat.txt for any settlement listed...

I am starting to get desperate as this seriously damages the AI's capabilites when the capital or other core province goes rebel. Hope my little research can help somehow...

**Chim** · May 20, 2008, 03:51 AM

Hmm,

I thought this "attribute" would have been added. I'll run a few tests on this. Perhaps we can tweak the AI here and there.

PS: I totally forgot to congratulate you on your title Quark. You deserve it.

**Quark** · May 20, 2008, 07:57 AM

Chimaeira
Cheers

.

I had a quick chat with wolfslayer on this and the only issue that I can see with it is that the player gets the forces too, and they can move them out. As such I would add only 4 or 5 units to each capital.

**Chim** · May 20, 2008, 08:20 AM

Indeed.
If we want to achieve anything without the use of scripts, this seems the most suitable option.

**branden77** · May 24, 2008, 05:18 PM

I'm getting it this problem, I am using English early campaign, and by turn 15, Scotland and France have lost most of their cities, and by turn 50, every other AI has lost alot of cities, so it turns into a game of marching through destroying rebels. im running 6.1, and had this happen 4 games in a row.