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    Icon5 How would you reform American education?

    Off the top of my head, if I were to reform the American education system (assuming there were sufficient funds):

    1. Make block scheduling universal, at least for high schoolers. That's more time in the day for a class, and an extra day to get homework done. Helps keep kids from being overloaded with homework form 8 different subjects on one night, and lets them focus on half of that.

    2. Divide classes up by ability, especially for reading, math, and science in all grades. For large schools, there should be three levels - remedial, intermediate, and advanced. Not all students do well in a given subject. Dividing the classes up by level allows the kids who excel at a given subject to move forward and the kids that don't can go at the pace they need to go at to understand the material. Kids who do very well for their level one year can opt to move to the next level the next year. There would need to be some sort of setup so that kids moving up a level aren't too far behind when they enter the next level.

    3. Barring any sort of learning disability, students should never officially move to the next grade until they are failing no academic subjects. No moving a kid onto the next grade just because he/she is "too old". If a student is "too old" for a grade, then that student has other issues that need to be dealt with and should be sent to an alternative school. But a student should be able to take the next grade level of course he/she has passed.

    Arrangements should be made for courses that would need to be taken at another school (i.e. a student moves from the elementary school to a middle school but needs to take a class in the elementary school). Multiple failures of the same subject at the same grade level would indicate something else is wrong and additional evaluation and arrangements would need to be made (i.e. there might be some sort of unknown learning disability).

    4. Move the start of class to later in the day, particularly for teens. Teens tend to have a natural sleep cycle that differs from what schools go by - they tend to naturally stay up later and get up later. If the students are too tired because they're up 3 hours earlier than they naturally would, then you're starting the day off with an additional disadvantage.

    5. Increase parental involvement. There should be goals for the amount of parental participation in schools, whether it be attending school board meetings, volunteering, etc. Parents who care about their child's education are much more likely to have kids that do well at school.

    6. Increase after school programs. Worried about kids getting into trouble after school? Give them something to do after school that interests them.

    7. Very public budgeting. Any person should be able to get a full list of EXACTLY where the school spent money in an easy to read and understand format. You should be able to drill down in detail to the the box of pencils the school bought on April 5th. I'd like to see it easily accessible on the internet. This will help money to be budgeted properly and let parents raise questions like "Why are we only spending $X on books but spending $5X on the football team?".


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    I would look to europe. along with mandatory military service.

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    Default Re: How would you reform American education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaigidel View Post
    I would look to europe. along with mandatory military service.
    By looking at Europe you would see the pointlessness of mandatory military service, and witness it being phased out across the continent.

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    Put less emphasis on high school sports. Recognize top academic stars in the same way you recognize the State Champion football or basketball team. Don't give scholastically under-performing atheletes a free pass just because they can throw a perfect spiral or make 3-point shots all day long.

    I was watching a documentary called "2 Million Minutes" that compares the education system of the US, India, and China. In India and China, kids participate in sports to stay healthy but it's more important to be the kid with the top grades rather than being the football captain or head cheerleader. While I'm not against sports, I think American society puts way too much emphasis on sports being the most important aspect of high school.

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    1) Get rid of all this ADD stuff. to me its just a bunch of stupidity.

    2) It was much funner playing games during lunch then it ever was in high school just talking.

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    how about change the unfunded national mandate of No Child Left Behind to funded one.
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    I think it would produce a more discplined and driven population leon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constantine I View Post
    1. Make block scheduling universal, at least for high schoolers. That's more time in the day for a class, and an extra day to get homework done. Helps keep kids from being overloaded with homework form 8 different subjects on one night, and lets them focus on half of that.
    I think the homework load for American kids is already pretty light. I mean compare to other countries, North American school works are practically nothing. In fact, I think more homework should be given and completion must be mandatory to make sure the students actually learned something.

    Quote Originally Posted by Constantine I View Post
    2. Divide classes up by ability, especially for reading, math, and science in all grades. For large schools, there should be three levels - remedial, intermediate, and advanced. Not all students do well in a given subject. Dividing the classes up by level allows the kids who excel at a given subject to move forward and the kids that don't can go at the pace they need to go at to understand the material. Kids who do very well for their level one year can opt to move to the next level the next year. There would need to be some sort of setup so that kids moving up a level aren't too far behind when they enter the next level.
    I don't know. Providing equal opportunity is very important. I am not sure your reform will be able to do that. It will just make smart student smarter, stupid ones stupider.

    Quote Originally Posted by Constantine I View Post
    3. Barring any sort of learning disability, students should never officially move to the next grade until they are failing no academic subjects. No moving a kid onto the next grade just because he/she is "too old". If a student is "too old" for a grade, then that student has other issues that need to be dealt with and should be sent to an alternative school. But a student should be able to take the next grade level of course he/she has passed.

    Arrangements should be made for courses that would need to be taken at another school (i.e. a student moves from the elementary school to a middle school but needs to take a class in the elementary school). Multiple failures of the same subject at the same grade level would indicate something else is wrong and additional evaluation and arrangements would need to be made (i.e. there might be some sort of unknown learning disability).
    interesting.


    Quote Originally Posted by Constantine I View Post
    4. Move the start of class to later in the day, particularly for teens. Teens tend to have a natural sleep cycle that differs from what schools go by - they tend to naturally stay up later and get up later. If the students are too tired because they're up 3 hours earlier than they naturally would, then you're starting the day off with an additional disadvantage.
    That's everyone student's dream isn't? Well, I think the current time frame is fine. Students aren't denied their 9 hours of sleep a day. they are denying that themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Constantine I View Post
    5. Increase parental involvement. There should be goals for the amount of parental participation in schools, whether it be attending school board meetings, volunteering, etc. Parents who care about their child's education are much more likely to have kids that do well at school.
    good point.
    Quote Originally Posted by Constantine I View Post
    6. Increase after school programs. Worried about kids getting into trouble after school? Give them something to do after school that interests them.

    7. Very public budgeting. Any person should be able to get a full list of EXACTLY where the school spent money in an easy to read and understand format. You should be able to drill down in detail to the the box of pencils the school bought on April 5th. I'd like to see it easily accessible on the internet. This will help money to be budgeted properly and let parents raise questions like "Why are we only spending $X on books but spending $5X on the football team?".
    taht's wehre more federal money should be invested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Constantine I View Post
    4. Move the start of class to later in the day, particularly for teens. Teens tend to have a natural sleep cycle that differs from what schools go by - they tend to naturally stay up later and get up later. If the students are too tired because they're up 3 hours earlier than they naturally would, then you're starting the day off with an additional disadvantage.

    5. Increase parental involvement. There should be goals for the amount of parental participation in schools, whether it be attending school board meetings, volunteering, etc. Parents who care about their child's education are much more likely to have kids that do well at school.
    For 4: That doesn't work because kids usually get a ride from their parents, who leave for work in the morning. Moving the day back also cuts down time for extracurriculars, unless you want kids to be at football practice until 9 PM.

    For 5: Parental involvement is a problem with parents, not the schools. There's no way to force parents to get involved.

    I like the other ideas though. I would also like to add:

    A sufficient understanding of English should be required.

    Quote Originally Posted by bushbush View Post
    I think more homework should be given and completion must be mandatory to make sure the students actually learned something.
    Completion is mandatory...

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    Block scheduling is very good, it truly helps you when you prepare for college as you don't take all your classes at once.

    Next, I suggest more and longer essays in high school. Back in my high school most essays were 1 page and a long, year ending one was about 5. In college a 5-page essay isn't a big deal. Also essay writing is very important as much of your work is essay.

    Allow students to plan their own schedule, but make requirements to graduate. This is another important college skill and helps students out.

    Move language classes to begin at elementary school or remove them completely. I took 4 years of high school German and I remember about two sentences (Ich bin Americaner und ich spreche nicht gut Deutsche (I am an American and I don't speak good German) and Wo is die Toillete? (Where is the bathroom)) and how to count. Not worth the time that could have been used to teach more useful subjects.

    Teach as many advanced classes as possible and give incentives to take them encouraging students to excel and challenge themself.

    Finally, get rid of the 100% grade system and do a college style GPA system.
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    Default Re: How would you reform American education?

    Finally, get rid of the 100% grade system and do a college style GPA system.
    Farnan, what exactly is wrong with the current 100% system? It looks like a right method for grading...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Constantine I View Post
    Farnan, what exactly is wrong with the current 100% system? It looks like a right method for grading...
    Starting off with the GPA system gets you more ready for college so you are used to the system you will be using later.
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    Default Re: How would you reform American education?

    Hangon texs', what role does anyone here think middle to highschool education is meant to play in the first place?
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    What exactly is wrong with the American education system?
    I thought it was judged to be the best in the world.

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    re-introduce the cane...
    @Duke "U.S. scores were far behind those of most other developed nations."
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    Let us smoke weed on break.

    Really, I found the only thing that helped my ass pay attention to the stuff I was doing and made me stop staring at whale-tail and instead at the text book..

    Was when I was ing stoned.

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    having just looked at that graph my guess would be to copy whatever the the Finns and south koreans are doing.

    though my gut instinct is to say let all those who went to school in the 1950s run it seeing as they know so ing much.
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    Default Re: How would you reform American education?

    the problem isnt with the schools, or how they work per say. remember the system hasnt changed that much in decades and in the 50's and 60's it was considered one of the best in the world.

    whats wrong is people attitude to education, the parents, the kids and society as a whole, and the fact that one bad apple can spoil a bunch.

    simply caneing/paddleing the little rat bags wont change that. education needs to have more value in it and kids need to feel more worth in there work and also feel apart of there school, like a community, after all you dont in your own backyard.

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    Starting off with the GPA system gets you more ready for college so you are used to the system you will be using later.
    Ive been using that system since middle school, but I dont like it though. Its Unfair because it does not distinguish between high grades and low grades ( like 100% A+ and an A- ) or an incomplete assignment from some who did it but scored a 40% or 50%.

    Put less emphasis on high school sports. Recognize top academic stars in the same way you recognize the State Champion football or basketball team. Don't give scholastically under-performing atheletes a free pass just because they can throw a perfect spiral or make 3-point shots all day long.
    Yes! Good lord Im tired of all the athletic meat heads being treated so privileged!

    Some more funding please, I just heard the other week that Florida spends the least money per student out of every state. Jeesh this is the 4th largest state.



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