Queen in Turkey

[PointOfViewGun]

As some of you might know Queen Elizabeth 2 is visiting Turkey. She'll be listening to Qur'an and a Qur'an specially made will be represented to her. What are your thoughts on Queens visit and her interest in Islam?

[removeduser_487563287433]

I don't think she does have a specific interest in Islam... I mean, she is legally the head of the Church of England. She is also Head of State and perhaps the most experienced diplomat in the world. What do you expect her to do, throw the Qur'an back in their faces?

[PointOfViewGun]

I don't think she does have a specific interest in Islam... I mean, she is legally the head of the Church of England. She is also Head of State and perhaps the most experienced diplomat in the world. What do you expect her to do, throw the Qur'an back in their faces?

She could have want to visit numerous churches but do you think it's just a political gesture or she's really interested in it? It doesn't have to be related to conversion or anything like that. It's a cultural thing too.

[removeduser_487563287433]

She could have want to visit numerous churches but do you think it's just a political gesture or she's really interested in it? It doesn't have to be related to conversion or anything like that. It's a cultural thing too.

She's being diplomatic.

[Carach]

I don't think she does have a specific interest in Islam... I mean, she is legally the head of the Church of England. She is also Head of State and perhaps the most experienced diplomat in the world. What do you expect her to do, throw the Qur'an back in their faces?

It is because she is effectively the head of a religion (like the Pope..) that is why she is there and being given a quran.

[Central Asian Qaghan]

She's being diplomatic thats all. I'm at least happy she's visiting us. Its always an honour to dignify a head of state, especially a Monarch.

[King Edward III]

She's being diplomatic thats all. I'm at least happy she's visiting us. Its always an honour to dignify a head of state, especially a Monarch.

[Big War Bird]

That Quran is going to sit in a dusty cardboard box along with shrunken heads, mummified panda penis, virgin's urine and other trinkets of barbaric religions.

[removeduser_487563287433]

That Quran is going to sit in a dusty cardboard box along with shrunken heads, mummified panda penis, virgin's urine and other trinkets of barbaric religions.

Yes yes, very clever.

[white-wolf]

That Quran is going to sit in a dusty cardboard box along with shrunken heads, mummified panda penis, virgin's urine and other trinkets of barbaric religions.

It was me or are you really insulting Quran?

[Duke_of_Bavaria]

It was me or are you really insulting Quran?

Realism.

[Big War Bird]

It was me or are you really insulting Quran?

A book cannot be insulted, as it is an inanimate object. I could shout the most vile things at one all day and it would not, could not care.

[white-wolf]

A book cannot be insulted, as it is an inanimate object. I could shout the most vile things at one all day and it would not, could not care.

You know, I know, it was not about insulting a book. Could it be about insulting a whole people?

[Mythos]

You know, I know, it was not about insulting a book. Could it be about insulting a whole people?

What if he was?

[Big War Bird]

You know, I know, it was not about insulting a book. Could it be about insulting a whole people?

It could be but no. I was reflecting on the triviality of such gifts, the misdirected importance placed in their physical being, the symbolism over substance, and the ultimate neglect of those items.

[Dr. Croccer]

A book cannot be insulted, as it is an inanimate object. I could shout the most vile things at one all day and it would not, could not care.

A nation is a fictional shell of a grouping of human beings who live in a designated area, by ethnic, political or racial ties. Led by (self)elected leaders who do their actions out of name of the nation, which, according to them, is the designated area in which the grouping of human beings live even though, once again, it is nothing but a fictional categorising term for similair groupings of humans in designated areas. The humans (in their groupings) are often proud of their fictional categorising term for their grouping in a designated area and could take personal offense if someone insults their fictional categorising term, even though the fictiobal categorising term doesn't, cannot care.

Ergo, we are able to conclude that a nation, which is in effect a fictional shell for the government -which is also in effect a smaller grouping of leaders (and servants, paradoxically) within a grouping of humans- and a categorising term for other groupings of humans bound by ethnic, racial and/or political ties, would not, could not care or take personal offense to insults but, rather, the people who are proud of this fictional term will often take personal insult if their fictional term is insulted which is not only quite impossible but also ridiculous from an emotionless, inhuman point of view like the one I am taking now.

The same theory works with the Qu'ran, and a lot of other objects.

The Qu'ran itself is very little more than a bundle of thin layers of wood with exotic symbols on it which some people view as intelligible. Like a nation, it would, could not take personal offense or care about insults. However, like with a nation, there are humans that could take personal offense to insults to the Koran. However, whereas people support a nation because of pride or other reasons, people taking personal offense to insults to the Koran do so because the Koran -which, again, is simply a bundle of wooden sheets with symbols on it- has an important significance to them because they view the bundle of wood as a divine thing and/or interpreted the symbols on the wooden layers as fact or/and life philosophies and the bundle of wood has a larger importance to them than, let's say, people without faith who view this bundle of wood as it is, a bundle of wood with symbols, possibly without even glancing at the symbols and recognise their importance to the people that defend it.

At least, that's my philosophy. All hail my Great Wall of Text.

[bushbush]

That Quran is going to sit in a dusty cardboard box along with shrunken heads, mummified panda penis, virgin's urine and other trinkets of barbaric religions.

LMAO at panda penis...

[StarDreamer]

That Quran is going to sit in a dusty cardboard box along with shrunken heads, mummified panda penis, virgin's urine and other trinkets of barbaric religions.

Yup right next to the bible. =)

[rodne]

That Quran is going to sit in a dusty cardboard box along with shrunken heads, mummified panda penis, virgin's urine and other trinkets of barbaric religions.

What constitutes a barbaric religion?

[Norge]

What constitutes a barbaric religion?

I'd say a religion where the "prophet of God" (peace be upon him) personally murders hundreds of people in the most barbaric ways.
Marrying a 7 year old doesn't make a religion less barbaric either...