shadow factions

[rusina]

What are these shadow factions?

[Xavier Dragnesi]

Never heard of them. Where do they come up? In a mod?

[Selifator]

I think these are the rebel factions that spawn from the Roman empires and the Goths.

[J@mes]

you must be talking about the WRE and ERE rebels or Civil war factions which appear in RTW:BI there are just rebellions which will appear based on a generals loyalty.

[Scutarii]

A shadow faction is a faction that takes over another factions cities when one of their cities rebel. They have the same roster as the initial factions. Ostrogoths, Western/Eastern Empire Rebels are all examples. Some mods have Baktria shadowing the Seleucids.

[Xavier Dragnesi]

So that's why I don't know. I don't play BI much

[Xerrop]

Don´t want to open a new thread about this topic, so I will continue here ...

What causes the appearance of the WRE and ERE Rebells as well as the Ostrogoths.
Only a rebelling city (based on public order below 75%) or has the loyalty of your family members also something to do with?

[StealthEvo]

AFAIK

It's a rebelling settlement (for what ever reason) that has a governer present within the settlement. Now I do believe that loyalty of the general does play a part, i think it's relative to wether the general rebels as well along with the settlement or just gets put outside.

I'm not an authourity, nor do I pretend to be. But thats mah two cents

[ninjabanana]

AFAIK

It's a rebelling settlement (for what ever reason) that has a governer present within the settlement. Now I do believe that loyalty of the general does play a part, i think it's relative to wether the general rebels as well along with the settlement or just gets put outside.

I'm not an authourity, nor do I pretend to be. But thats mah two cents

The loyalty does play a part there.

Once I was playing as the ERE, when a recently conquered settlement of mine revolted. The general had a low loyalty, so he joined the rebels. What's more, is that he took the entire full stack legion, all with silver/silver upgrades with him. The entire goddamn legion joined the Eastern Empire Rebels

[shikaka]

The loyalty does play a part there.

Once I was playing as the ERE, when a recently conquered settlement of mine revolted. The general had a low loyalty, so he joined the rebels. What's more, is that he took the entire full stack legion, all with silver/silver upgrades with him. The entire goddamn legion joined the Eastern Empire Rebels

I think a low loyalty governor can make an otherwise ok city join the rebels (under his guidance of course).

[Xerrop]

Well thanks to all for your answers.

Once I was playing as the ERE, when a recently conquered settlement of mine revolted. The general had a low loyalty, so he joined the rebels. What's more, is that he took the entire full stack legion, all with silver/silver upgrades with him. The entire goddamn legion joined the Eastern Empire Rebels

Well what do you expect? Each single soldier in a camp decides wheater to join the rebells or staying loyal to the empire?
Would Caesar have allowed a elections within his legions once he crossed the Rubicon and started the Civil War.

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

What are these shadow factions?

It's a faction that emerges if you are unable to complete the campaign within the given limit of turns, it consists of all the enemy units, faction members and agents that you have killed during the course of your campaign, whom have risen from the dead to drag you down to hell with them.

[|Sith| Max]

It's a faction that emerges if you are unable to complete the campaign within the given limit of turns, it consists of all the enemy units, faction members and agents that you have killed during the course of your campaign, whom have risen from the dead to drag you down to hell with them.

RTW just got even more awesome. if they ever make a cold war mod they should do it with hitler re-emerging if you dont beat the capitalists within a century. then we can kill him over and over and over... mehehehe

[StealthEvo]

The city still needs to be in a state of rebellion @Shikaka Hence why with ERE and WRE you have the disparity in religions AS well to add another element of potential rebellion. Given the economical state and the issues with overpopulation adding religion and attempting to convert to christanity adds more chance for settlements to rebel quickly adding. The loyalty in a normal settlement would be the precursor to the M2TW loyalty system and influence factors. But in a non rebellion sense i think it plays a part in bribery and chances to revolt with a less influential Factions leader

[Calisthenis of Dyrrachium]

The Ostrogoths are not a shadow faction. Shadow factions are factions that take over cities of the shadowed factions when they rebel. These factions cannot be destroyed like regular factions. The Ostrogoths on the other hand, are spawned in the first Goth city to rebel. Any subsequent revolts give the settlement to the Rebels. The Ostrogoths, once emerged, have only one life like regular factions.

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

The Ostrogoths are not a shadow faction. Shadow factions are factions that take over cities of the shadowed factions when they rebel. These factions cannot be destroyed like regular factions. The Ostrogoths on the other hand, are spawned in the first Goth city to rebel. Any subsequent revolts give the settlement to the Rebels. The Ostrogoths, once emerged, have only one life like regular factions.

Is that the same for the Romans? Once they killed their Rebels they never have to worry about disloyal characters again?

[RabiZaher]

Is that the same for the Romans? Once they killed their Rebels they never have to worry about disloyal characters again?

they will have to worry... because roman factions rebels are like the rebels but on the roman culture and when you kill all of them and have rebellion on other roman cities they appear again...

Sorry for my english

[Vice]

Not to hijack this thread but I also saw that there are British Romans as a faction? When do they come into play in BI?

[shikaka]

Not to hijack this thread but I also saw that there are British Romans as a faction? When do they come into play in BI?

When both of the roman cities on the island fall.
(if you conquer them, be prepared to fight the romanized britons too)

[HanatielHawk]

When both of the roman cities on the island fall.
(if you conquer them, be prepared to fight the romanized britons too)

Not true they only spawn if you take Londinium, and if they are spawned they'll try to take over Londinium back. If you succeed at keeping it, they will form no big problem to you unless they try to capture the north, if you don't succeed at driving them away, prepare for a battle with a strong new faction.

Isn't it also that the WRER and ERER play as normal factions?