hello my question is this..

[rob_church]

hello first off i want to say how much i am loving this mod just beautiful and as of late i have tried out many a mod rtr,lort tw,fourthage,eb just ran so damn slow basically unplayable and many more(but any ways im getting of subject here... and that subject is shield wall

on a side note before my question i want to say the skins are fantastic not overly a fan of the roman skins but after searching the forums i see the post maian troops look sexy, spartan royal gaurd is so sexy and the main reason i dl this mod in the first place but here is my question..

i have read many a page on this forum hunting for info the aar,guides,random pages and such and i read alot about shield wall and recenty saw a post where a person had 300 spartans agians an army of egypt and slaughtered them the proof wa sin the pictures, i cant dierct you to the post cause as i said i read alot of post.

so is this beacuse of shield wall? does sheild wall make your phalanx deadlyer and your spartans deadlyer? i read that its great for breaking formations ,but to my knowlge they dont fight as effecintly in shield wall,so does shield wall make me more dangourus? i thought shield wall was just to soak up a calvery charge a bit. and one recvices a penalty if fighting for to long in shield wall ie not fighting as efficiantly as they should?



bi runs noticably slower on my comp so if its just for athstetics then i wont bother but if im missing out on a key componet to this mod and greek fighting style then i will install bi agian

any clarifacation as to this shield wall confustion would be wonderful thank you for your time

p.s i know my spelling is horrendus im an artist not an english teacher

[Hurlbut]

Phalanx formation is athestically better with "pike" or very long spears, shield wall is for regular spears like the spear warband or the hoplite

[rob_church]

cool so phlangintes dont get shield wall and if they do its only for the look thanks for the clarification

but does putting say spartans or hopilites into shield wall make them more dangourus for attacking or is it just good for defending? and if it is good for defending should one take them out of shield wall after the intal clash?

from what i read people seem to be saying keep the spartans in shield wall and advance to the enemy line, but everyhting i have read before this has said that shield wall is basically just to soak up cavalry and provides no protection agiasnt arrows so im quite confused as to its correct usage and if the game running slower is worth this ability, so spartans and the like in shield wall basically behave like phalanx in the vinalla not just athsteticly? if so then it would seem to be worth it

[Hurlbut]

I think it's so you could mostly improve offensive power like phalanx formation does. I thought shield wall was also defensive, but what I could pick up here, it's offensive like phalanx formation.

[Scutarii]

Shield wall makes your formation nearly impenetrable from the front, so increases your defending ability by a ton. But, it also decreases that units kill count to near nothing, and lessens their formation width. So its good to hold the line with few casualties while you wait for slingers/cavalry/skirmishers/other melee infantry to flank the now pinned unit.

[Sabinus]

Excellent info Scutarii, plus rep. Please use the spell check feature, a few mistakes are normal but I found it hard to read your post.

[Ferrus]

Offensively, I tend to use my hoplites in reserve if you are short on them like in my current campaign and use them as shock troops in small blocks with shield wall on. The reason why i use small blocks is because with a long frontage you have less control on their offensive use as they may hit another formation you dont want to and it is better to have a small concentrated 'point' to break an enemy formation. Plus the men in your formation wont be picked off if they are seperated from one another in shield wall. I use italian infantry to hold/pin while with the hoplites i either flank the enemy or run through my own men at a critical point. However they are rubbish in forested terrain so you are better off with thorakitai unless you are willing to pay the blood price to win.

[Scutarii]

Excellent info Scutarii, plus rep. Please use the spell check feature, a few mistakes are normal but I found it hard to read your post.

My bad. I was typing fast. I think they're all fixed now.

[Unknown Soldier]

Scutarii: oh dear my brain must be wired different - I read your post with ease automatically/subconsiously error correcting as I read it, forums are not suposed to be gramatically correct anyway.