Emergent Characters?

[Jonni_g_n]

Hi guys, we are all aware of the emergent characters in Kingdoms and the fact that KK has managed to incorporate Wallace into SS.

I was wondering whether people, perhaps even Kong himself would be interested in adding more emergent characters to the game.

I would like to start doing this myself, I know little about modding, but I imagine this would not bee too difficult as the general skeleton of Wallace is already there (unfortunately he will probably be one of the only ones with such a good cutscene).

Do you think this would be possible?

I would try and make the emergent characters non- royalty so it doesn't feel too manufactured as it would take away from the Immersion if The Black Prince was swanning around northern france with Prince Davey (or whoever).

An idea could be someone such as William the Marshall for England ( i think this would work for England as it would give England an early boost before Scotland get Wallace)

Byzantium have a host of Generals (who evenrtually would often become Emperors) possibly John Ducas, or hopefully someone more famous (ill read John Julius Norwich again to research this!)

Turks - Suilemein or Osman and Egypt would probably get Baybars.

I thought Papal States could get Cesar Borgia - A florentine I know but considering he was the Pope's son he could be counted as their General, however he may be superflous by the late 15th Century.

France would be fun as if possible I could try to add Joan of Arc to emerge, if someone made a skin (which i am fairly confident i will NEVER be able to do, i am very un artistic)

Of course it will need to be balanced, but i think it could work, as often you can predict fairly well the winners and losers in the campaign map, a little military boost would help those factions which should be stronger in Early Era (i.e England + HRE + ERE) and allow those who should be strong in Later days (i.e France + Turks + Spanish factions) to get a proper foothold in campaign map

Anyway i'm going to have a look at the Wallace script over the next few days and see if it can be replicated. If anyone thinks this is a good/bad idea or would like to help (or tell me its impossible) please post or PM me, ill be gratefull for any feedback!

(P.S Sorry for my bad English, i'm from Liverpool)

[Fionn son of Cumhaill]

Hey Jonni. I think its a great idea. You should probaably ask KK for some advice on the matter.

+rep for a great idea

P.S i Love the apology for speaking Liverpudlian,it kinda brought back memories of Conker and the scouser bees

[Blakdust]

Its a great idea the only problem is balance
I wouldnt give england any kind of boost there already super powerful
William wal is enough to emerge in that area he balances england a little
I think give weaker factions a "hero" to fight there stronger neighbors

Shame Ivar "the boneless" Ragnarsson was around to early for this game
he would make an AWESOME Danish hero, I dont care much for dates throw him in anyway (I know it will never happen)


Hey Joan of arc would be perfect tho! cant go wrong there

[Guinnessmonkey]

Balance doesn't have to be a concern, really... There's nothing saying you have to make 'em all supermen, after all.

[Jonni_g_n]

thanks for the feedback Hitman. I'll have a look into the modding tutorials tomorrow and some of the files, then ask KK. I see your Sig and stuff is Ireland. Lemme know if you can think of a good Irish leader, none come to mind as they were stuck between rock and hard place with Strongbows Normans and later Robert Bruce's family fighting over the land.

cheers for thumbs up tho

[Fionn son of Cumhaill]

thanks for the feedback Hitman. I'll have a look into the modding tutorials tomorrow and some of the files, then ask KK. I see your Sig and stuff is Ireland. Lemme know if you can think of a good Irish leader, none come to mind as they were stuck between rock and hard place with Strongbows Normans and later Robert Bruce's family fighting over the land.

cheers for thumbs up tho

Allright.As you can probably tell by my Sig, and Handle(IRL stands for Ireland not In Real Life)and i can only think of 1 emergent Hero/Character for Ireland.

The guys name is Muireachta Ua Briain in Irish(I think its Morris or Murtagh in English)and heres a link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muirchertach_Ua_Briain

[Blakdust]

Depends if they come with a SUPER stack like Wallace
Little things can easily tip the balance an if there already easy....

[Meister Sibrand]

LOVE IT! Teutons get von salza or sibrand. HRE gets fredrick barbarossa. etc sounds great and plus rep for you!

[DrunkNIrishMan]

Started a discussion a while back about this here. Includes a list of many possibilities.

[Jonni_g_n]

Ok thanks for the feedback guys.

@ Blackdust - Ivar the Boneless is a cool idea, he was the Primordial dwarf right?
Like you say he is outta time frame but once I get the ball rolling on how to mod the characters it would be good to have full discussion over who to put in. I also agree with what you say about balance, had a little play as England last night and am 15k up and battering scots already. So the point is taken. Like you say tho a is not necessarily a good thing. Maybe just a character to add to your bloodline as it were. As suggested by guiness

@ Silbrand - thanks for the recommendations, haven't heard of Sibrant, will wiki him soon.

@ Drunkn - thanks for the link, i was wondering how far the team got with that mod, It seems a lot of the points discussed here were ones which are raised above. If you know what to look at files wise please let me know.

@ hitman - cheers for the link, I will create him for my first characted while i learn how to actually do this. Really good choice as his timeframe will allow an early emergence which will be perfect to learn how to do this.

If anyone can help please let me know. I'm kinda gonna be shootin in dark. Kinda busy this week but please watch this space

[Blakdust]

Well Ivar was either a 9foot giant or a disabled dwalf with brittle bone disease
either way a military genius, I would throw him in at the start of the early game its over a 100 years off but its not the only thing out of date in the game


Also after reading the previous thread on the subject despite interest it didnt take off, something about room in SS maybe voting on the top 3 they might make it in I dunno, don't get me wrong i'd love to see em all have a hero

[Barry Lyndon]

I love the idea. We need more "hero-generals". It would, for example, be really cool if Joan Arc would emerge after the french have lost too many northern provinces (like the Wallace-event after Edinburgh falls).

[spartan117]

The easiest way in my opinion is to simply link the emergent character to an event. Personally I have added a number of emergent characters including Francis I, Charles V, Henry Tudor, Osman, Suleiman, and some others. I am currently deciding on traits and locations, I just wanted to get it working to start off.

Although you can do the whole i_turnnumber way. If you want to get fancy you can include certain requirements like the william wallace script.

Via scripts you can sort of recreate rebellions. Although personally I would enjoy more historic events during the 1300's and later. It is really easy to add pretty much any of this. I dont think I would mind adding simple historic events if any of you gave me the description and the year of the event. I could then release that here. I do not want to add more complicated interactive events like the laternan council event though.

Below is an easy example of a scripted army.

;;;;;;;;;;;;;Ottoman Empire- Osmans Dream;;;;;;;;;;;;;

monitor_event EventCounter EventCounterType ottoman_empire1
and EventCounter > 0

spawn_army
faction turks
character Osman Gazi, named character, age 25, x 95, y 200, family
traits LoyaltyStarter 1 , GoodCommander 3 , ReligionStarter 1 , Energetic 1 , Intelligent 1, GovernorInclination 1 , PoliticsSkill 2, PublicFaith 2, NaturalMilitarySkill 2, Royal_Blood_Turkish 1

unit ME Bodyguard exp 7 armour 0 weapon_lvl 1
end

terminate_monitor
end_monitor

;;;;;;;;;;;;;Francis I;;;;;;;;;;;;;

monitor_event EventCounter EventCounterType Francis_I
and EventCounter > 0

spawn_army
faction france
character Francois d_Angouleme, named character, age 19, x 95, y 175, family
traits LoyaltyStarter 1 , GoodCommander 2 , ReligionStarter 1 , Energetic 1 , Intelligent 1, GovernorInclination 1 , PoliticsSkill 2, PublicFaith 2, NaturalMilitarySkill 1, Royal_Relation_French 1

unit NE Late Bodyguard exp 7 armour 1 weapon_lvl 1
end

spawn_army
faction france
character random_name, named character, age 19, x 95, y 175
traits LoyaltyStarter 1 , GoodCommander 2 , ReligionStarter 1 , Energetic 1 , Intelligent 1, GovernorInclination 1 , PoliticsSkill 2, PublicFaith 2, NaturalMilitarySkill 1

unit NE Late Bodyguard exp 7 armour 1 weapon_lvl 1
end

terminate_monitor
end_monitor
end

Below would be in the historic events text.

{OTTOMAN_EMPIRE1_BODY}Osman became chief, or Bey, upon his father’s death in 1281. By this time, mercenaries were streaming into his realm from all over the Islamic world to fight against and hopefully plunder the weakening Orthodox empire. In addition, the Turkic population of Osman's emirate were constantly reinforced by a flood of refugees, fleeing from the Mongols. Of these, many were Ghazi warriors, or fighters for Islam, border fighters who believed they were fighting for the expansion or defense of Islam. Under the strong and able leadership of Osman, these forces quickly proved a formidable force, and the foundations of the Empire were quickly laid.
{OTTOMAN_EMPIRE1_TITLE}Ottoman Empire

This would be in the descr event text.

event historic ottoman_empire1
date 1

But of course more is needed to have a custom picture and such but I didnt bother as I was content with a random UI image. Different traits will be needed if you have the 6.2 or other mods. I was only using the 6.1 character traits. This isnt my exact script I havent actually created some of these events yet and currently just have the list of characters with the correct names all under 1 event. Above is sort of like an example if anyone is interested in creating their own emergent characters.

I dont think there can be a female general as that may be hard coded in the game.

[Barser]

I did something like this in my minimod. Remember you can give them custom portraits and skins

[spartan117]

I did something like this in my minimod. Remember you can give them custom portraits and skins

Haha I already made jeanne d arc (even though she looks ugly its better than nothing )

But yeah its pretty cool with emergent charecters. It spice the campaign up a lot when it gets repeatative in the long run.

Yeah I know but rather then figure out the possible kinks that is would take me to learn I kept it real simple. But then I get overambitious with including events of all sorts and script changes that I could never get a campaign started.

I already pretty much included all the fmv from the kingdom expansion campaign into my own. Although not the same event triggers but nonetheless I do this so that later in the campaign there will be events as currently the events are pretty much all gone by like the 1300's.

Currently trying to add timurids so as I could add a new host of events and scripts.

Music is mighty helpful to bring new life to the game. Especially given the few tracks for southern euro cultures. I have over 1.5 gbs of music! I would have more but I still want to have music that 'fits' well with the time period and the battles.

[MikeTW]

This is a great idea! William Wallace was really fun to fight as england (I ended his wrath by marrying him to my most charming princess ). Joan of Arc would be sweet!

[Barser]

This is a great idea! William Wallace was really fun to fight as england (I ended his wrath by marrying him to my most charming princess ). Joan of Arc would be sweet!

Haha I already made jeanne d arc (even though she looks ugly its better than nothing )

But yeah its pretty cool with emergent charecters. It spice the campaign up a lot when it gets repeatative in the long run.