Pro-EU alliance leads poll in Serbia

[Војвода Драгутин Кесеровић]

It's allready Sunday in Belgrade - 00:56AM - polls open in 8 or 9AM (I'm not exactly sure

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian...election,_2008

BalkanInsight.com - Serbian Parliamentary Elections 2008.

Al Jazeera English - News - Kosovo Protest Over Serbia Election

The wiki source will provide for the more detailed profiles of the respectable (and the less respectable) parties.
In short, these are no doubt the most important elections in Serbian history. Accordingly, the campaign was one of the dirtiest ever - EU block was openly supported by the foreign embassies in Belgrade and the EU nomenclature abroad, patriotic parties are accusing the EU block for no less than high treason because of their signing of the SAA with the EU without the aproval from parliament.... all in all, these elections will pretty much decide the level of Serbian determination and the level of her actual activeness in her actions to preserve her sovereignty and her territory.
For some further insight on Serbian political scene, I humbly give you some of my previous posts on the subject:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showp...postcount=1703
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...ns#post2856971

So, the things should start getting interesting somewhere around 21-22h, when the first unofficial results arrive. Of course I'll post 'em here as soon as they are published....
Meanwhile, I'd like to hear your prognosis, nomatter if your from Serbia or anywhere else in the world....

[VedranM]

It is going to be a stalemate, but more likely a win for the SRS

You wanna know what I think, there are three main brands of Serbs, at least the Bosnian Serbs, I don’t know about you true Serbian Serbs Serbs…

Cetniks

Liberals

Leftists

Know, there is no leftist option on the table, although a large part of Serbs, at least when they utter their political opinions to me, sound like they hope Tito [whom they consider devine and sexy, and that if you touch his grave you will loose your cancer] is going to be beemed down by God and rein eternally, for some reason there is no political party that support these views.

So we have the Cetniks and the Hippies at each others throats…

Some of the Leftists are going to vote for the Liberals simply because they can not and will not vote for cetniks, for reason anything from having a relationship with a non serb south slav [Bosnian, Croat, Macedonian], or because their grandfather lost a leg in an engagement with Mihajlovic forces at the battle on the Neretva river…

On the other hand some of the other leftists, will despite not liking the cetniks, vote for them, seen as: they are pissed over the privatization, they are pissed at Serbia becoming smaller. Montenegro and Kosovo and all that….. They expect that seen as how poor they are now, the cetniks are bound to do a better job. Seen as the economic growth the last years has been at Belgrade not at Serbia, so unless you are the “elite” in Belgrade you might even have become poorer..

Now the Cetnik and the Liberals all have their traditional supporters for several reasons…

I think that the SRS will win, as in leading a government, they have combined a program of somewhat normalizing living standards, and combined it with a hate of any non Serb that speak Serbo-Croatian. Might I remind you that most of the south slavs hate each others guts, and the feeling is in a way stronger in Serbia seen as most of them have not seen the horrors of the war, and believe in utter BS that Bosnian Serbs do not believe in, even if they hate Bosniaks and Croats. And the SRS is playing on the Russia card, and for some reason Serbs would let the Russians even rape their women, seen as they are “Ortodox brothers”.

Liberals, have probably lost many votes, most of their votes will be votes of people who don’t want to se the Cetniks in power, even if they don’t like the liberals. They will get votes from leftist who hate the Cetniks, and from the “pro European belgradians”

The SRS will probably not do anything radical, but will be the whores of the ruskies, should the ruskies desire to have a whore that is.

nomatter if your from Serbia or anywhere else in the world

If the radicals win, I might be from Serbia.. hehe

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I think your estimation is for a touch to simplified, but non the less pretty much accurate.... Still I would add:
1.The leftists pretty much vote for either for the SPS (elderly) or the LDP (children of ruind communist middle class who turned liberal but are still essentially communist).
2. There is a significant number of, you would call them the "moderate chetniks" - people who celebrate their patron saints and take some pride at being Serb, but who are still pro-EU no matter the KLA declaration... I'm kinda worried about their numbers although I think it's only a question of their either being intimidated by the NATO or lulled into the what little of consumers culture there exists in Serbia ...
So, since I see you are well versed in SRB politics, would you care to guess some numbers?

[VedranM]

I think your estimation is for a touch to simplified, but non the less pretty much accurate....
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I know, some of it was just ment to be funny in all honesty


Still I would add:

1.The leftists pretty much vote for either for the SPS (elderly) or the LDP (children of ruind communist middle class who turned liberal but are still essentially communist).

yeah, but there are more leftists in Serbia, then there are votes for “leftist” parties, so a great number of the leftists become torn between the hippies and cetniks..

But it is possible this I my personal experience, seen as I know mostly Bosnian Serbs, and the Serbian Serbs that bother to have a longer conversation with me are most often not fans of Mihajlovic, so I probably miss out on a large portion of serbs, seen as I am a poturce from my last name, altought vedran is a purly south Slavic, before Christianity and islam name


LDP, is that Cedomir Jovanovic, lol, is it true he uses drugs, or is that SRS propaganda…

2. There is a significant number of, you would call them the "moderate chetniks" - people who celebrate their patron saints and take some pride at being Serb, but who are still pro-EU no matter the KLA declaration... I'm kinda worried about their numbers although I think it's only a question of their either being intimidated by the NATO or lulled into the what little of consumers culture there exists in Serbia ...

Hmm, first we should define the definition of cetniks, been religious doesn’t automatically make you one… But I think I understand what your going at

So, since I see you are well versed in SRB politics, would you care to guess some numbers?

Well, I’m only a last name away from being a serb, lol, joking..
I have no idea, I’m, not that interested into politics, I hate politics, and I havn’t been following these elections.. My guesses and what I wrote is based on “the serbs I know, and know of”
If you understand what I am trying to say…

I can guess you could brake down Bosnians in the same way, if they have a political opinion, then youd have Leftists who spend all day wanking over a photo of Tito, Liberals praising the EU as the greatest thing ever, Ustasas[the real ones from ww2] talking about how Jasenovac was not so bad, and the people who claim to have more in commen genetically with Turks then other Balkan peoples, despite being ridiculously pale, green eyed and blond…

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LDP, is that Cedomir Jovanovic, lol, is it true he uses drugs, or is that SRS propaganda…

Yap, he's on coke, but than again so is Vuk Draskovic (SPO, currently within the EU coalition) - and he is definetly a Chetnik .... And I guess all of them are high on something whatever the party they're in... it's a stresfull job you know ...
The problem with Jovanovic is not his cocaine addiction
but rather his anti-Constitutional activities sponsored indirectly by the US embassy in Belgrade (via the NED and IRI)

Hmm, first we should define the definition of cetniks, been religious doesn’t automatically make you one…

Amen to that, but elaborating on that demands a thread for it self... for example, my family there was 60-40 split in the civil war- two brothers in Chetniks and the other two + a sister in the Partisans... but I'm more pro Chetniks for the reason of them being the ones who actually liberated my family's home town of Krusevac in 1945.....

[VedranM]

Yap, he's on coke, but than again so is Vuk Draskovic (SPO, currently within the EU coalition) - and he is definetly a Chetnik .... And I guess all of them are high on something whatever the party they're in... it's a stresfull job you know ...
The problem with Jovanovic is not his cocaine addiction
but rather his anti-Constitutional activities sponsored indirectly by the US embassy in Belgrade (via the NED and IRI)

Hmmm, kokain, i wish i had the money for that

Amen to that, but elaborating on that demands a thread for it self... for example, my family there was 60-40 split in the civil war- two brothers in Chetniks and the other two + a sister in the Partisans... but I'm more pro Chetniks for the reason of them being the ones who actually liberated my family's home town of Krusevac in 1945...

Civil war? Mihajlovic cooperated with tha Italians, and even Germans through the war... Anyways without going into the meaning of the word cetnik throu history "ceta" platoon? Chetnik to me would be those who support the Mihajlovic plan as of, when ever he wrote it[i belivie the document is still in belgrade] that Croats and Slavic Muslims should all get killed.. And greater serbia and all that, lol..
But the word "cetnik" has lost its meaning seen at it is often used as a insult in the same way as "vlah" without reffering to the political ideology of Mihajlovic, anyways, thats what i meant when using it...


You, as a Serbian Serb, probably speaking ekavski, saying bioskup instead of kino and all that..

what do you think is going to happen, like with Serbia?

BTW, do you think Jelena has any chance of winning the Eurovision, that fet lesbian you sent last year only won becouse of the lesbian votes, she didnt deserve to win, and i think that it was rude of her to pool nationalism into the event,,, i did vote for Joksimovic in 2004, he should have won, only got second place tought,,, sad....

[wilpuri]

Just for clarification:

Cetniks

Liberals

Leftists

Cetniks - Nationalists?

Liberals - Pro-EU market liberals?

Leftists - Jugoslavia nostalgics?

I think that the SRS will win, as in leading a government, they have combined a program of somewhat normalizing living standards, and combined it with a hate of any non Serb that speak Serbo-Croatian. Might I remind you that most of the south slavs hate each others guts, and the feeling is in a way stronger in Serbia seen as most of them have not seen the horrors of the war, and believe in utter BS that Bosnian Serbs do not believe in, even if they hate Bosniaks and Croats. And the SRS is playing on the Russia card, and for some reason Serbs would let the Russians even rape their women, seen as they are “Ortodox brothers”.

Russia is the only major power that has supported Serbia while the West has been hostile from the very beginning. The idiots in the EU have played their game badly: they want to extend their influence over Serbia but have effectively driven her ever more tightly into the embrace of the Russian bear.

Anyway, nice post, it shed some light on the Serbian political climate in humouristic way.

[VedranM]

But on the other hand, I wonder, if/when the radicals win, what will they do of their plans. They stil hold the position that the borders of Serbia should be
K - K - Virovitica, and that is not possible, I think that they are far far of, I think most Serbs, even if they would like this, think it is not possible, they will probably win, couse of some leftists voting for them based on what I have already said, and people without any clear political opinions loosing confidence in the Liberals....

I don't know how to translate this word, "Inat", spite? I think a lot of Serbs that are not even chetniks will vote for the Chetniks(The Serbian Radical Party) in spite to the west ranging to everything from the loss of Kosovo, to other issues, and also in spite against the current elite..

The SRS is doing well becouse of "inat" spite, and seen as the left is totaly irrelevant and margenilized, at least it seems to me.

[VedranM]

Well, like every crazy Serb, I'm actually an optimist, it's not gonna be easy but we shall overcome this wub we're in just as we did all those before....

LoL, you didnt answer my question, and yes eventually you are bound to again become succesful, just like anyone will again becomse something within the next 1000 years, I was thinking more like a ten year prognosis, but oh well

Quote:

Jelena sucks wub. I actually think your guy should win
1. he is totaly gay
2. he actually has a very good song (if he looses it's gonna be just because of that)

1. Don't diss Jelene, I like her songs, I even think shes sexy, she has a natural look about her
2. Our dude[Bosnian] is not gay, I wish then we'd have gotten the gay votes, heas a freak, a freak show
3: the song suck, he suck, i hope something happens to him, they could have sent hara mata hari, or something like that, hell if joksimovic wrote the instrumental like last time wed probably get all the serb votes as well, but instead we change a team that nearly won and send this freak to represen ut.... Its bad enough wer a , but do we have to be freaks aswell

[Војвода Драгутин Кесеровић]

LoL, you didnt answer my question, and yes eventually you are bound to again become succesful, just like anyone will again becomse something within the next 1000 years, I was thinking more like a ten year prognosis, but oh well

Well, it pretty much depends on the outcome of tomorrow's elections.
If DSS and SRS win enough votes to form a government by themselves, then we should be moving towards a closer cooperation with Russia and a political confrontation with EU.
If, God forbid EU block and LDP(if they even pass the 5% margin) hit a surprising jackpot, we're definetly gonna loose Kosovo and that will be the end of us (only it won't cause Vojvodina would be next for grabs...)
Fortunately, the most reliable prognoses, the betting quotas, say that the next prime will be either Kostunica (DSS) or Nikolic (SRS).

3: the song suck, he suck, i hope something happens to him, they could have sent hara mata hari, or something like that, hell if joksimovic wrote the instrumental like last time wed probably get all the serb votes as well, but instead we change a team that nearly won and send this freak to represen ut.... Its bad enough wer a , but do we have to be freaks aswell

You obviously are not a NEW WAVE fan

[VedranM]

Well, it pretty much depends on the outcome of tomorrow's elections.
If DSS and SRS win enough votes to form a government by themselves, then we should be moving towards a closer cooperation with Russia and a political confrontation with EU.
If, God forbid EU block and LDP(if they even pass the 5% margin) hit a surprising jackpot, we're definetly gonna loose Kosovo and that will be the end of us (only it won't cause Vojvodina would be next for grabs...)
Fortunately, the most reliable prognoses, the betting quotas, say that the next prime will be either Kostunica (DSS) or Nikolic (SRS).

You have lost Kosovo, a numch of poeple in Kosovo are claiming they are a country, and you can not do anything to stop them atm...
Vojvodina will never leave serbia, most of the people there are serbs, whilst kosovo has not had a serb majority population in the last 200 years...
I don't know what you want Kosovo for, If I was a Serb i'de bbe happy to have lost Kosovo, it is/was a burden for Serbia...

You obviously are not a NEW WAVE fan

Serisusly, you prefere to that crap over songs that have real mening...
Demn, just for that Im gonna

you





How old is she btw, im like a teenager, so... but i find her hot, ,, do I need help?

and what do you listen to, turbo folk,

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1. ehm... don't you see a userbar down there saying like "JOY DIVISION FAN"!?
Get over Jelena pronto, you don't even have your cocaine money and she seems to me like a girl who likes to party .

2. Laka for president!

3. When it comes to Kosovo, that's exactly what these elections will be decided upon. We'll finally be able to see what option has a clear majority in Serbia, the soveregnist/patriotic one or the Euro-Serbian one....
If it would somehow happen that the "yellows" win, I'll be the first t congratulate them and then head straight to Kopaonik mountain to join the resistance guerrilla

[VedranM]

btw you didnt reply to my "inat" theory

[VedranM]

you don't even have your cocaine money and she seems to me like a girl who likes to party

You are right, here I am, not even having money for Kokain, and thinking I could get a singer, demn, so stupid...

3. When it comes to Kosovo, that's exactly what these elections will be decided upon. We'll finally be able to see what option has a clear majority in Serbia, the soveregnist/patriotic one or the Euro-Serbian one....
If it would somehow happen that the "yellows" win, I'll be the first t congratulate them and then head straight to Kopaonik mountain to join the resistance guerrilla

You didn't get my point. I said, that atm Kosovo is not under serbian control..

BTW you didn't reply to my "inat" theory, and do you think that the SRS, would ever, given they won, actually do something with their K - K - V plans?

2. Laka for president!

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You didn't get my point. I said, that atm Kosovo is not under serbian control..

Entire Kopaonik mountain (so called North of Kosovo) is.
Strpce is. Gracanica is. Almost all the monasteries. Serbia will (given the patriotic gov. be voted in) move to further strenghten her presence in the province... from where do you think comes the electricity for the province, food supplies, where can a Kosovo Albanian travel with his phony KLA documents? Things are not as black and white as they seem, Serbia has plenty of options on the table. But, tomorrow (elections) comes first.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...nt_8138797.htm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...or-Kosovo.html
http://www.srbija.sr.gov.yu/vesti/ve...ections+kosovo
How do you think that holding elections in the province is possible if, as you say, "Serbia has no control" over K&M?

BTW you didn't reply to my "inat" theory, and do you think that the SRS, would ever, given they won, actually do something with their K - K - V plans?

Radicals will pretty much play their cards nicely, by the rules of market economy and democracy as layed down in the SRB constitution. They are not imbeciles to think that it is possible to take back Knin.

[VedranM]

For Gods sake, Im trying to be polite, and waiting out your last response before I go to bed, but you are taking your time...
Hurry up, don't mind the typos

[VedranM]

How do you think that holding elections in the province is possible if

ONly in a few enclaves and the north..

Hmm the radicals winning can not be good for Bosnians, the Seseljevici were not know for chivlery and honer during the Bosnian war, lol, but it would be amusing, in a morbid way..

Anyways, Laku Noc, pomoz bog and all that, I'll tune in on this thread in the morning..... I suggest you get some sleep aswell

the electricity for the province

Serbia? The SRS could just cut the power, I'de cut the power if I was Serbia, and then I'de make Jelena my personal slave, to satisfy all my needs, and probably that one chik from "top model serbia" altough ide tell her to shut up, she seemed exytremly stupid when she talked no matter how hot she was.... And that "ja bi svaki dan decko mi je umoran" singer.... And,, cant think of anyone else that I know by name, there was this one moddel on a paperbord in serbia a few years back for dresses, wedding dresses i think that look hot also..

demn it realy shows im a teen huh?

[Војвода Драгутин Кесеровић]

Pools opened early this morning, by 10h almost 10% of those registered voted.
This means the outgo will be great, around 65-70% probably - and this means that the LDP stands no chance to enter parliament, so the EU block total score could be even less than 40%!!

[removeduser_487563287433]

Serbs will probably elect the candidates most likely to keep their country in nationalist stagnation.

[Blau&Gruen]

Serbs will probably elect the candidates most likely to keep their country in nationalist stagnation.

Well, they may require some more time. It is not necessarily negative.