Bow-Lance-Mellee???

[Lupu]

Is that possible?
Not the way it is in the engine, but with custom animations.

What I mean is if anyone would find a very good animation maker he(she?) could make a custom animation merging lance and other mellee weapon.

If the charge animation is with lance and when its done the lance will disappear(or implode very fast) and be changed with a sword/axe/mace that is used in attack animations.

If its possibe a bow-lance-mellee weapon cav could be created.

[Faris ad Din]

Ugh... I'm no professional modder, but if you're familiar with the EDU, only two types of attacks are available to units. Either they have ONE type of attack (which always has to be melee, I've never seen a unit with only ranged attack) or they have TWO (second one could be ranged or melee). And I think that's hardcoded. If units could be given more than two types of attacks I think we would have seen more of this already...

[Kip]

I don't really understand what you're suggesting. Khwarezmiam bodyguards have lance and bow. Or do you mean couched lances?

Did any troops actually carry a couched lance and bow into battle? It seems silly...you need two hands to fire a bow, which means you can't carry the lance....but charging lances are way too long/unwieldy to carry slung on the back. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[TWoxy]

I would say that the Khwarezmian Bodyguards carry more of a stabbing spear than an actual lance, as that would be too unwieldy in close combat.

[Kip]

Right, I guess I don't limit the use of the word "Lance" to the type that is used couched. Like Ghaznavid Light Lancers carry what I would still call a lance, even though it isn't couched.

[B. Ward]

I'm thinking he means charging with a lance.....using a sword in melee....and being able to use a bow being far in range. But as stated there are only a primary and secondary weapon that can be used.

[kabeast]

Yeah, it's just a question of how many. You can have bow and lance, lance and melee, or bow and melee, but not all three, so for ranged cavalry (specifically bodyguards) it is a choice between good charge and good (armor piercing) melee. Khwarezm has the former, Seljuks the latter.

[Lupu]

I think you dont understand what I mean, I know there can only be 2 weapons/unit, but what I mean is modding a secondary weapon animation for horsearchers that should have a lance as well as a mellee weapon as secondary.
So making the charge animation with a lance, and the mellee with another weapon.
Can it be done with imploding/exploding model polygons that are without attachement "inside" the hand of the unit.

[Taneda Santôka]

I think it's possible, the lance and mace will be treated as the same single weapon, only changing shape through animation between charge and melee...

[colin666]

I think it's possible, the lance and mace will be treated as the same single weapon, only changing shape through animation between charge and melee...

But wouldn't you still have to have different attack values for the different weapon?
If you just changed the shape of the lance to appear to be a mace or sword wouldn't the cavarly still be weilding a lance weapon just it would look like a mace/sword?

[Lupu]

Having 2 models in the hand of the unit, one sword/mace/axe and one lance, he lance switching with one of the others after charge, than having sword mellee anims would maybe work.