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    May 9, 2008, 11:19 Military parade on Red Square - watch the full version!

    Thousands of Russians have turned out for the highlight of the Victory Day celebrations – the annual military parade through Moscow’s Red Square. It’s 63 years since the end of World War II, known in Russia as the Great Patriotic War. In line with tradition, the military parade began when the clock on the Spassky Tower at the Kremlin struck 10 a.m.

    A band prepares for the march A command was given to carry out the State Flag of the Russian Federation and the Banner of Victory.

    The Standard Bearers Group is made up of the best servicemen from the Guards of Honour Battalion of the 154th Commandant's Regiment.

    First, was the State Flag of the Russian Federation. Next came the Banner of Victory.

    The Russian Defence Minister - Anatoly Serdyukov, who came out on his limousine from the Gate of the Spassky Tower took the salute at the Victory Parade.

    The commander of troops of the Moscow Military District - General of the Army Vladimir Bakin - was commanding the Parade.

    Defence Minister Anatoly and General of the Army Vladmir Bakin made their inspection tour before the troops began marching across Red Square.

    After inspecting the troops, Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov reported to President Dmitry Medvedev - the Supreme Commander in Chief of the Russian Armed Forces.

    President Medvedev looks on President Medvedev responded.

    Then the commander of the Parade - General of the Army Vladimir Bakin - gave the order to begin the parade and the linesmen took up their positions on the perimeter of Red Square.

    Following the limousine of General of the Army Vladimir Bakin, according to tradition, the drummers of the Suvorov Military Music School marched briskly along the cobblestones of Red Square. The youngest drummer was 14-years-old.


    Military parade: step-by-step

    The first armoured vehicle to enter Red Square is ‘Tigr’ – it’s a light armoured vehicle that can carry up to 9 people and is bullet and bomb proof. It’s meant for special operations and is ideal for cross-country work.

    Tanks salute dignitaries The Taman division enters the square on armoured personnel carrier BTR 80. It’s followed by the BMP-3 infantry support vehicle that has 3 crew and can carry up to 7 more troopers, and it has unprecedented fire power in its class.

    The airborne division 106 brings forward the BMD 4 armoured personnel carrier of the fourth generation. After them, self-propelled artillery systems ‘Sprut 137’ roll into Red Square – they are a significant part of a landing force used for fire support of troops.

    Next comes the main battle tanks, T-90, armed with the newest equipment capable of destroying targets, both on land and in air.

    The artillery is often called ‘the God of War’. The Simferopol regiment of Taman division presents MSTA-S artillery systems used to destroy objects in the 25 km range. Artillery complex ‘Tunguska’ and ‘Tor’ armoured vehicles follow.

    Next in the parade is ‘Buk’ self-propelled anti-aircraft complex. It switches from travel to battle mode in less than 5 minutes and can be recharged in less than 20 seconds.

    The only long-range multiple launch rocket system in the world known as ‘Smerch’ enters Red Square. It is capable of high-precision targeting as far as 90 km away.

    The anti-aircraft rocket system C-300 ‘Favorit’ is considered the best in the world – it can follow 100 targets and hit up to 12 spots simultaneously.

    The tactical missile complex ‘Iskander-M’ rolls on to the cubes of Red Square. Its missiles use the ‘stealth’ technology and are virtually invisible to any foe and its capable of destroying targets 280 km away with a minor deviation not exceeding 2 metres.

    One unique piece of equipment follows the other – ‘Topol’, the missile complex known across the world, is also taking part in the parade.

    'Topols' rumble through Red Square It’s classified SS-25 ‘Sickle’ by NATO and is capable of destroying any existing anti-missile system. Its range is an unimaginable 10 thousand km!

    The air show is traditionally opened by the famous Russian MI-8 helicopters. They are followed by AN-124 ‘Ruslan’ – the largest cargo plane in the world. It’s escorted by two SU-27 fighter jets.

    The supersonic strategic bomber TU-160 is seen in the sky above the heart of Moscow – it’s the biggest supersonic jet in the history of aviation that can carry up to 40 tonnes of arms, including several types of controlled missiles, bombs and even nuclear-charged warheads.

    It’s escorted by MiG-31 long-range interceptors.

    Next in the sky are the re-fueler plane IL-78 and TU-95MS strategic bomber followed by MiG-29. SU-34 and SU-24, the production of world-famous Sukhoi, appear next. SU-34 is the newest generation of fighter jets that will eventually substitute the older SU-24 model.

    TU-95MS fly over central Moscow They have a practically unlimited flying range – of course, when refueled in flight.

    Three supersonic long-range bombers with variable wing geometry TU-22M3 enter the airspace above Red Square. They are followed by four SU-25 attack planes flying in battle formation.

    And the grand finale – a breathtaking air show by aerobatic teams ‘Russian Knights’ and ‘Strizhi’ (‘Swifts’) on SU-27 and MiG-29 planes.

    By tradition the Victory Parade finished with the composite military orchestra unfolding and marching down Red Square.

    http://russiatoday.com/news/news/24528

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    The Russians do know how to put on a show.

    Nice to see that the Great Patriotic War is still well remembered by modern Russians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erebus26 View Post
    The Russians do know how to put on a show.

    Nice to see that the Great Patriotic War is still well remembered by modern Russians.

    The reason why other states are not interested in preparing something similar is the cost and the damage heavy equipment causes.

    It will cost around 42 million dollars just to repair the damage caused during this parade.


    Note that it is neither 60 years after the war, nor 65, 70 or anything. The celebration is supposed to ad more glamour to the power 'change'.

    It is Putin & Medvedev show, nothing more + it is the alibi of the Soviet Union - 'see we defeated fascism, so don't you dare...'

    Well... considering that for almost two years they were friends and allies with Hitler it could be seen differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cegorach View Post
    The reason why other states are not interested in preparing something similar is the cost and the damage heavy equipment causes.

    It will cost around 42 million dollars just to repair the damage caused during this parade.


    Note that it is neither 60 years after the war, nor 65, 70 or anything. The celebration is supposed to ad more glamour to the power 'change'.

    It is Putin & Medvedev show, nothing more + it is the alibi of the Soviet Union - 'see we defeated fascism, so don't you dare...'

    Well... considering that for almost two years they were friends and allies with Hitler it could be seen differently.
    I was purely commenting on the respect shown for the Russian heroes of WW2, and not on the politics of the event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAkula View Post
    You just won't quit your load of bull****
    Nice.

    So there is any other reason to prepare this huge parade 63 years after the event ?

    Politics and the fact the event is virtually the only sanctified anniversary in modern history of Russia.

    That is why you will earn from Medvedev today that 'Russian nation brought freedom to Europe.'

    A simplified, one-sided view on history is exactly what Russia really needs.
    Which all of course easily is leading to the usual conclusion how ungrateful the 'liberated' states are.

    Perfect food for imperial nationalism - surely that helps in finding better understatement with Russian neighbours, unless.... Kremlinsimply doesn't care and needs enemies, but that is unthinkable, isn't it ?:hmmm:
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    Quote Originally Posted by cegorach View Post
    So there is any other reason to prepare this huge parade 63 years after the event ?
    First of all, is there any reason not to?
    Thats the whole point of it, NOT TO FORGET ABOUT IT!
    If there is 1 country who has so much linked to the second world war and suffered from it, then I think it must be Russia.
    Have you lived through it ? Have you lost so many people around you in such a short time?There is one reason why it is organised (and it is celebrated every year, widely) This day is a major celebration day.So that the next generations could understand and learn from it!!!
    If such a day wouldn't be held (and held so greatly) than it would eventually fall into oblivion.
    Had you lived it through on our side, only God help you...

    You cannot even imagine how it was, how it felt... so you do not even have the right to question it, and maybe even to comment like that.



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    Quote Originally Posted by cegorach View Post
    Well... considering that for almost two years they were friends and allies with Hitler it could be seen differently.
    And what does that mean:hmmm:?Insult removed
    Last edited by Harry Lime; May 09, 2008 at 01:48 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAkula View Post
    And what does that mean:hmmm:?

    Are you trying to get suspended ?



    If you are trying to argue about facts - R-M Pact, military and NKVD-Gestapo cooperation, favourable trade agreements...

    Soviet Union was at least a co-belligerent - this is what you simply cannot deny.




    First of all, is there any reason not to?
    Thats the whole point of it, NOT TO FORGET ABOUT IT!
    If there is 1 country who has so much linked to the second world war and suffered from it, then I think it must be Russia.
    Have you lived through it ? Have you lost so many people around you in such a short time?There is one reason why it is organised (and it is celebrated every year, widely) This day is a major celebration day.So that the next generations could understand and learn from it!!!
    If such a day wouldn't be held (and held so greatly) than it would eventually fall into oblivion.
    Had you lived it through on our side, only God help you...

    You cannot even imagine how it was, how it felt... so you do not even have the right to question it, and maybe even to comment like that.

    The usual attitude. Just for the case of clarity you have no idea what hell my family lived through during the war.

    Respect to the heroic effort of those people is one thing, but making this a funding ground for nationalistic ideology is another.

    One sided view on history presented by words like 'bringing freedom to Europe' by Stalin, apparently is exactly what it is - supporting a myth which together with lack of criticism and mass amnesia supported by Kremlin might only lead to something negative.

    There is nothing worse than a biased, yet enthusiastic nationalistic ideology - especially if it becomes the official ideology of a country.

    Nothing good came from that and will not in future.
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    Are you trying to get suspended ?



    If you are trying to argue about facts - R-M Pact, military and NKVD-Gestapo cooperation, favourable trade agreements...

    Soviet Union was at least a co-belligerent - this is what you simply cannot deny.
    First of all it doesn't denounce the possible fact removed, but i'll stop that here, since you are so susceptible to some words. I understand that.

    I always thought that the "alliance" was before Hitler carried out his brilliant plan to attack Russia, and killing millions.So what has that to do with "if Hitler... blablablah". Ther are no ifs. It happened like that. Handle reality and truth, instead of thinking hypotheticly what Hitler once could have done, or couldn't.You don't see me telling things like that. Please, stick to facts that happened.

    But maybe i am wrong? And you know all the answers? If so, please enlighten us, as we are dumb little people and our almighty Medvedev leads us, and he tells us stories and such (as you said).
    Last edited by Harry Lime; May 09, 2008 at 01:50 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by cegorach View Post
    Are you trying to get suspended ?
    No



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    Quote Originally Posted by cegorach View Post
    The usual attitude. Just for the case of clarity you have no idea what hell my family lived through during the war.
    Yet is is not your family talking here, is it?

    You see, don't try to pull this "you don't know what my family lived through..."-argument into the discussion.
    I was talking about you in person, as an outsider (Or did you live through the second world war in person, in that case i take my words back, but I doubt you did...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by cegorach View Post
    Respect to the heroic effort of those people is one thing, but making this a funding ground for nationalistic ideology is another.

    One sided view on history presented by words like 'bringing freedom to Europe' by Stalin, apparently is exactly what it is - supporting a myth which together with lack of criticism and mass amnesia supported by Kremlin might only lead to something negative.

    There is nothing worse than a biased, yet enthusiastic nationalistic ideology - especially if it becomes the official ideology of a country.

    Nothing good came from that and will not in future.

    There are some good points here. Let's face it, the Kremlin is simply rewriting history. No one mentions Stalin, who killed more Russians than Hitler could even dream of. Yes the Soviet Union lost many lifes in the war, but it is forgotton that many people were killed by the own army. Soviet prisoners freed from Nazi camps were sent directly to the gulag. I'm deeply irritated that the horrors of WW2 are abused to promote a hypernationalistic agenda. Actually only after the fall of the Soviet Union the victory in "the great patriotic war" became something like a state-supportive ideology. Only after the misery of the downfall of former glory it became necessary to illuminate and glorify the distant past.

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    Yeah. Can someone delete those two other "victory day" threads... I posted them as an accsident.

    But yes, this is indeed a great show.
    Last edited by Valus; May 09, 2008 at 01:53 PM. Reason: double post

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    That would great except the Nazi surrendered on May 8th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird View Post
    That would great except the Nazi surrendered on May 8th.
    You are definatly missing the point...

    Learn some history and come back when you have something more intellegent to say.

    Go learn when exactly, why and where it was signed. And the exact reasons that led to the exact time of signing.

    Quote Originally Posted by cegorach View Post
    Note that it is neither 60 years after the war, nor 65, 70 or anything. The celebration is supposed to ad more glamour to the power 'change'.

    It is Putin & Medvedev show, nothing more + it is the alibi of the Soviet Union - 'see we defeated fascism, so don't you dare...'

    Well... considering that for almost two years they were friends and allies with Hitler it could be seen differently.
    You just won't quit your load of bull****
    Last edited by Atterdag; May 09, 2008 at 04:27 PM.



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    Great show! Will they show videos of them retreating from Afghanistan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Turkish Sultan View Post
    Great show! Will they show videos of them retreating from Afghanistan?
    na, they did show tons of history not needed
    Last edited by Harry Lime; May 09, 2008 at 01:43 PM.

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    Both a great and a sad day in history. End of one totalitarian regime, beginning of another's reign in Eastern Europe. Congratulations to the Russians anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Turkish Sultan View Post
    Great show! Will they show videos of them retreating from Afghanistan?
    Hmm :hmmm: what a irony...

    Are there videos about sinope 1853???

    What a dumb question did you pose, oh boy...


    I'll put you a nice picture of this man here:

    Last edited by BlackAkula; May 09, 2008 at 12:35 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Turkish Sultan View Post
    Great show! Will they show videos of them retreating from Afghanistan?
    Cool Will american show Retreating from vietnam war ?


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