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    Will Media Remember Gore's 1994 Tie-breaking Vote Mandating Ethanol?
    By Noel Sheppard | April 22, 2008 - 18:57 ET

    As the international disaster of ethanol begins taking its toll on the planet -- and, maybe more important, as press outlet after press outlet finally begins recognizing it -- will media remember that Vice President Al Gore cast the tie-breaking vote in the Senate requiring this oxygenate be added to gasoline?

    After all, regardless of recent reports blaming ethanol for world hunger problems, rising food costs, and increased greenhouse gases, it seems highly unlikely green media will want to tie any of these problems to Nobel Laureate Gore.

    Yet, as inconveniently reported by States News Service on August 3, 1994 (no link available, emphasis added throughout):



    In a move that enraged midwestern senators, Louisiana Democratic Sen. Bennett Johnston tried Wednesday to prevent the Environmental Protection Agency from mandating the use of ethanol in reformulated gasoline. The Senate narrowly killed the measure, voting to table it by a margin of 51 to 50. With the vote tied, Vice President Al Gore had to come in and cast the deciding vote. [...]
    "This is really a gigantic flim flam to the American public," Johnston said. [...]

    Under the Clean Air Act, the nation's nine smoggiest cities must begin reducing auto emissions by using a cleaner-burning fuel known as reformulated gasoline in January. Reformulated gasoline contains more oxygen than regular fuel.

    Until the EPA announced its decision last month, oil refiners had a choice of boosting oxygen in reformulated gasoline with either ethanol or MTBE (methyl tertiary butyl ether), a petroleum derivative. MTBE is made from natural gas. The nation's major oil companies have natural gas facilities, many of which are overseas. [...]

    During the four-hour debate, opponents of the ethanol mandate said the measure contains hidden costs. The Congressional Budget Office has estimated the policy would cost the government $249 million during the next five years. The congressional Joint Committee on Taxation has predicted the ethanol rule would drain $545 million from the national highway trust fund each year.

    "It's highway robbery," said Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va. "It's nothing less."

    Besides Gore, take a look at who else was DEAD wrong on this issue:


    [Democratic Illinois Sen. Paul] Simon added that the ethanol mandate would not increase costs for consumers.
    "The price of corn flakes isn't going to go up by one penny," he said. "Don't think you're helping consumers by voting for the amendment by my friend from Louisiana."
    I beg to differ, Senator. As my colleague Paul Detrick reported on April 4 (emphasis added):

    You're going to need a few extra bucks to pay for those corn flakes every morning.

    CNN's senior business correspondent Ali Velshi let viewers in on an underreported fact about rising commodities prices: the government mandate for ethanol production is making corn and other agricultural products more expensive-making inflation a top priority for Americans.

    "Several years ago, we made some decisions about how corn is going to be used to make ethanol, which is added to our gasoline," said Velshi on "American Morning" April 4. "A number of people think that that was meant to reduce our dependency on crude oil. What is does is it takes what is fundamentally a food source and makes it into a gasoline source. That's caused corn to go up."

    He went on to explain that in the recent food commodities surge, which includes products like wheat, soybeans and rice, corn has gone up to $6 a bushel-making everything from animal feed to cereal more expensive.

    Nice call, Sen. Simon!

    For those interested, here's how the New York Times reported the news (emphasis added):

    With a tie-breaking vote by Vice President Al Gore, the Senate upheld today an Environmental Protection Agency rule requiring that ethanol and other renewable fuels get a share of the gasoline additives market.

    The Senate voted 51-50 to table an amendment that would have denied financing to the agency to carry out a rule guaranteeing renewable fuels a 15 percent share of the lucrative fuel oxygenate market in 1995. That share rises to 30 percent in following years.

    Under the Clean Air Act, oxygenates, which make fuel burn more cleanly, are to be added to gasoline in the nation's smoggiest areas.

    Tabling the amendment, offered by Democratic Senators Bennett J. Johnston of Louisiana and Bill Bradley of New Jersey, in effect kills it and clears the way for E.P.A. to carry out its program.

    All, in the end, thanks to Nobel Laureate Al Gore.

    Of course, as the ethanol crisis widens, I'm sure media will be reminding the electorate of this pivotal vote fourteen years ago...not!
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...dating-ethanol

    I recommend going to the link as it has many many links backing up its assertions.

    The Global warming profiteer is now personally responsible for a global famine and deaths of god knows how many.

    If it weren't so tragic, utterly predictable and avoidable, I'd laugh. Ya gotta love it when governments make foolish mandates that starve people.
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    He invented the internet ok? Leave him be.

    Bah, it's the same thing. You have half the scientific community fighting the other half over whether or not global warming is in fact as detrimental as is always stated. When global climate change has been recorded for centuries to think that a 1 degree increase is something to phone home to momma about and started introducing radical (possibly detrimental) ways of preventing something we still don't no enough about? Come on, yeah some ice caps are melting, but who's to say this isn't a normal fluctuation the planet normal goes through. You can't compare 100 years of Earth's history and think "Oh this is unprecedented" when you're talking about billions of years that's bs. Sorry, but personally when I think we contribute to increasing temperature on the planet, I agree but not anywhere near the cataclysmic rate they want me to think.

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    Well using this logic we can also blame Darwin for the Holocaust.
    according to exarch I am like
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    Quote Originally Posted by Autu Mbiga View Post
    Well using this logic we can also blame Darwin for the Holocaust.
    Please explain


    Everyone note this thread is not about global warming, but on how ethanol policy has lead to our current dilemma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiljan Arslan View Post
    Well using this logic we can also blame Darwin for the Holocaust.
    And they say religion starts wars .

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    from the disaster, in the future because most scientists and most people think so.
    So there is going to be a disater because most scientists say so and you say I used a bad anaology,.. you just proved me spot on. There is no certain disaster pending. Only in your heads because yoiur preists have told you so. Ask them for proof and they have only their models. Models designed to tell them what they want and missing far too much data to be even close to reliable. Believe the oracle if you like.
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    Global warming and cooling is cyclic in nature and is recorded many times in Geologic strata. Global warming is most likely due to increased sunspot/solar flare activity and mankind's pollution of the atmosphere is simply helping it along a bit.

    Increased ethanol usage will be implemented and at the same time more fuel efficient flex fuel and hybrid engined vehicles will be produced, along with all electric and perhaps even compressed air powered vehicles (find and read articles of the 2 French automotive geniuses who have a woring compressed air vehicle that can reach speeds of at least 55mph).

    Gore jumped on the enviro bandwagon and why he recieved the Nobel Prize is a mystery to me.

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    Hmmm primarily because how dose this make it so that ethanol was successful? (by sucessful I mean became Popular?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Autu Mbiga View Post
    Hmmm primarily because how dose this make it so that ethanol was successful?
    Huh?
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    big war bird while i agree that using ethanol as fuel is not a good idea, food price rise is not simply caused by ethanol and other biofuels use, it's caused by a combination of droughts and bad harvests, increasing demand from china and other developing countries, biofuels use, asinine policies of paying farmers to produce less both in the US and EU, and a lot of speculation.

    Instead i dont understand the correlation between Gore and the oil price, it's becouse of environmentalist that don't permit drilling in some areas?
    While these new oilfields would help, the oil price rise is caused by increasing demand (again) from China and other developing countries, the devaluation of the dollar, a huge speculation and also the fact that many consumer (cough especially in the US cough) decided that gas guzzingl venicles are nice, so instead of the easy escape of blaming one guy let's look at the big picture and all the cause (and the bastards that are profiting hugely from this ugly situation).
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    yeah people dont want to look at all the factors they want to find a democrat that they can lay the blame for all this on, when in fact it is the republican admin and controlled congress that brought us to this situation and only the dems can bring us out.

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    The title of this thread is spot on. He is the leader of this insane cult most of you under 40 have been indoctrinated into. Enviormentalist wackos. Save the earth and make man suffer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush Limbaugh View Post
    The title of this thread is spot on. He is the leader of this insane cult most of you under 40 have been indoctrinated into. Enviormentalist wackos. Save the earth and make man suffer.
    You really think, that this whole thing started by him alone? Interesting to see how people think that Al Gore would have such an influence.

    Saying that Al Gore has alone responsible for food and fuel inflation is like saying that without Barack Obama, there would be no interracial marriage.

    The entire thread is stupid. Thanks!

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    ya, I guess those thousands of scientists are all just crazy
    They +do not agree . Nobody KNOWs. Your goin on faith. You havent a clue other than what your told as to whats going on. Only those who disagree with you are crazy right? Like the guy who discovered g;lobal warming as I posted earlier says its bunk.
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    Can you find a more credible news source? This one makes a point of being as conservative as it can.

    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird
    I recommend going to the link as it has many many links backing up its assertions.
    Unfortunately all but one just redirect around the site.

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    it has certainly contributed, but it is hardly, like antares mentioned, the only factor, of rising food prices.

    how he is contributing to rising oil prices...I don't see the connection
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    how he is contributing to rising oil prices...I don't see the connection


    The global warming scam is the cost of the rise in prices of EVERYTHING you buy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush Limbaugh View Post


    The global warming scam is the cost of the rise in prices of EVERYTHING you buy.
    'cept there IS NO scam

    christ people
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    'cept there IS NO scam
    There sure is. No one can prove it. Yet everyone is now convinced its so because the new preisthood has told them so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush Limbaugh View Post
    There sure is. No one can prove it. Yet everyone is now convinced its so because the new preisthood has told them so.
    ya, I guess those thousands of scientists are all just crazy
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