Need an explanation on how fair fighter works in 6.1.

[Glade]

Usually id get the trait after i win a heroic victory but i cant seem to get it anymore. Ive fought tons of battles and had the general not attack anyone. Ive also had the general kill everyone in sight and i don't get either fair fighter or wining first. Can someone explain whats going on?

[Quark]

Glade
Well winning first is a Battle Dread trait, so it can be gotten by the general killing people eg

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Trigger battle_Dread_fighting
WhenToTest PostBattle
Condition GeneralNumKillsInBattle > 8
and not Trait BattleChivalry > 0
Affects BattleDread 1 Chance 5
Affects Brave 1 Chance 20
Affects Bloodthirsty 1 Chance 10

or by excuting the heathen eg
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Trigger VanquisherHeathenExecutes
WhenToTest GeneralPrisonersRansomedCaptor
Condition FactionReligion catholic
and not TargetFactionReligion orthodox
and not TargetFactionReligion catholic
and NumCapturedCharacters >= 1
and RansomType execute
Affects VanquisherHeathen 1 Chance 100
Affects BattleDread 1 Chance 100

So definately still in there.

[Glade]

Did the % chance to get the trait get reduced?

[Quark]

Glade
Nope, but there was an effort to give more Dread traits overall, as some people like dread generals.


Trigger battle_Dread_fighting
WhenToTest PostBattle
Condition GeneralNumKillsInBattle > 8
and not Trait BattleChivalry > 0
Affects BattleDread 1 Chance 5
Affects Brave 1 Chance 20
Affects Bloodthirsty 1 Chance 10

[Schweizergarde]

Fair fight/Winning First are also determined by the battle odds

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Trigger battle_BattleChivalry_Defender
WhenToTest PostBattle

Condition not WasAttacker
and IsGeneral
and BattleOdds <= 0.5
and not Trait BattleDread >= 1
and GeneralFoughtInCombat

Affects BattleChivalry 1 Chance 85

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Trigger battle_BattleChivalry_Attacker
WhenToTest PostBattle

Condition WasAttacker
and IsGeneral
and WonBattle
and BattleOdds <= 0.5
and not Trait BattleDread >= 1
and GeneralFoughtInCombat

Affects BattleChivalry 1 Chance 33

Where as fighting with vastly superior force helps with Dread

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Trigger battle3Dread_PickingOnWeak
WhenToTest PostBattle

Condition WasAttacker
and WonBattle
and BattleOdds > 2
and PercentageEnemyKilled > 75
and not Trait BattleChivalry > 0

Affects BattleDread 1 Chance 15

Quark

How does the following work?

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Trigger battle3Chivalry1_notchaserouters
WhenToTest PostBattle

Condition WonBattle
and BattleSuccess >= average
and PercentageEnemyKilled < 10
and not GeneralFoughtInCombat
and IsGeneral
and BattleOdds < 0.95
and not Trait BattleDread > 0

Affects BattleChivalry 1 Chance 33

This doesn't seem to actually check for routers. The only meaingful conditions are winning by killing only 10% of the enemy without the general engaging in combat.

Also, there should be a BattleChivalry -1 (or -2) and BattleDread +1 for attempting an ambush (and maybe +2 BattleDread if successful). Ambushing was probably against all notions of chivalry.

[Quark]

Schweizergarde
The idea is that if you have engaged the enemy (<10% killed) but they ran away, you did not chase them down with your cavalry, at which point the kill ratio whould have gone above 10%, and in all probabilty you would have used your general to kill some of them. It otherwords we are guessing what happended as there is no way of actually checking.

[Schweizergarde]

Quack Quack
Why not use NumCapturedSoldiers < 50 instead? Something like:

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Trigger battle3Chivalry1_notchaserouters
WhenToTest PostBattle

Condition WonBattle
and BattleSuccess >= average
and NumCapturedSoldiers <= 50
and IsGeneral
and BattleOdds < 0.95
and not Trait BattleDread > 0

Affects BattleChivalry 1 Chance 33

Note: If "PercentCapturedSoldiers" exists, then replace "and NumCapturedSoldiers <= 50" with "and PercentCapturedSoldiers <10".

The not GeneralFoughtInCombat is removed since the Chivalric action is not staying out of the fight, but rather not capturing helpless, fleeing enemies. Instead of guessing the General's actions, we instead evaluate the army's actions.


Can the ambush negatively affecting Chivalry be implemented (If you find my logic sound)? I can't find any conditions regarding ambush.

[lesterthenerd]

nvm.