anoying cavalry armed with spears

[maxstill]

i just hate cavalry armed with spears insted of lances,spear units cavlry are useless,i think spears should be replaced by lances:hmmm:,medieval cavalry had more lances cavalry then spear cavlry,like tzar guard,they should have lances not spears,first of all the lances that the knights from madieval have are false,those are turnir lances which was a sport of the medieval times,the actual battle lances were just very long spears,sometimes with fanions to show the people that the owner of the lance is noble(fanions are little flags wraped to the lance like the cavalry from my avatar) those lances from my avatar are historycal lances for real [oh and by the way knights waren't the only ones that used lances], for those who dont believe me check out the historians Philip Brooks and Edward Gibbon,wich wrote the books KNIGHTS AND CASTLES;AND THE FALL OF THE BYZANTINE EMPIRE
[OH AND IM 32 YEARS OLD AND A HYSTORI PROFESSOR AT HENRY COANDA INSTITUT IN ROMANIA,BUCHAREST{OLD WALACHIA IN EASTERN EUROPE}SO I THINK I KNOW EASTERN HISTORY VERY WELL

[Chim]

On what records do you base your statement?

[Schweizergarde]

i just hate cavalry armed with spears insted of lances,spear units cavlry are useless,i think spears should be replaced by lances:hmmm:,meideval cavlry had more lances cavalry then spear cavlry,like tzar guard,they should have lances not spears

Did Tzar Guards historically use Western style lances? Medieval Western heavy cavalry used lances and heavy lances, but this was not adopted everywhere. For one, the lance can not be carried at all times, so knights would need squires that outfit and re-fit them with lances.

[ImKyleJames]

I love Hystori

[Fenix_120]

i just hate cavalry armed with spears insted of lances,spear units cavlry are useless,i think spears should be replaced by lances:hmmm:,medieval cavalry had more lances cavalry then spear cavlry,like tzar guard,they should have lances not spears,first of all the lances that the knights from madieval have are false,those are turnir lances which was a sport of the medieval times,the actual battle lances were just very long spears,sometimes with fanions to show the people that the owner of the lance is noble(fanions are little flags wraped to the lance like the cavalry from my avatar) those lances from my avatar are historycal lances for real [oh and by the way knights waren't the only ones that used lances], for those who dont believe me check out the historians Philip Brooks and Edward Gibbon,wich wrote the books KNIGHTS AND CASTLES;AND THE FALL OF THE BYZANTINE EMPIRE
[OH AND IM 32 YEARS OLD AND A HYSTORI PROFESSOR AT HENRY COANDA INSTITUT IN ROMANIA,BUCHAREST{OLD WALACHIA IN EASTERN EUROPE}SO I THINK I KNOW EASTERN HISTORY VERY WELL

I Disagree, one of the things that made the medieval Knight/Men-at-arms so ing tough was their couched lance technique, a unit of men-at-arms would ride in a close wedge formation and really could ride over pretty much everything.


Horse archers were good to use against men-at-arms not becuase they killed them (Indeed horse archers very rarely killed a Men-at-arms on their own) but becuase their arrows would break up the Knights formation and allow other units to pick them off before they could regroup.


Most eastern calvary did use normal spear/lance, the couched lance technique was used in the east, but not nearly as often and when it was used it was rarely in the tight formations that Men-at-arms rode in.


Sorry mate.


Look at this thread, Randarkmaan has already had this discussion.
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...=159033&page=6

[Point Blank]

In the latest RC (that is also installed with RR), non-couched lances are given a higher attack value than couched lances, but less charge value, the total being in favour of the couched lance. However, the non-couched lance cavalry has a reduced charge distance than the couched lance cav, so is more tactically flexible, and pulls off a charge more easily. If they do charge unsuccessfully the higher attack value in the absence of a charge bonus is also more effective.

Overall the two different types are fairly well balanced I think.

Couched lance cavalry also has reduced spacing between horses so pulls of a somewhat tighter charge usually, though this can have advantages and disadvantages.

[MightyMak]

Hey PB, how can we figure out which units use couched lances?

[oou420]

get broken crescent if you want more realistic cavalry lances/spears.
also spear-armed cavalry aren't that much worse, they can still wipe out most infantry units with a good charge.

[lesterthenerd]

why are they more realistic in broken crescent?

[Player8]

If we are going for total accuracy then after the initial charge the charging unit should not be able to use their lances again in the battle. Lances were a one-hit wonder. Once they slammed into a formation they were forced to defend themselves. Lances were unsuitable for this and were quickly thrown away. A knight couldn't very well hold the heavy and unwieldy lance while in hand-to-hand combat. Any subsequent charges were made with the secondary weapons.

[Sher Khan]

Technically, the lances used by Arab and Persian lancers were the same in size and weight as their European counterparts. The couched lance was no a secret, as eastern cavalry were well versed in its use far before the crusades as well.

Knights could, in fact, wield lances in actual combat, many earlier ones utilizing over and underhanded thrusts against both foot and mounted enemies. The same with their Arab counterparts. It's Turkic mounted lancers that were called out for their thin, reedy lances, creating confusion for those less experienced in crusade historiography. Arab and Persian nobles, on the other hand, were equipped equally like their Norman and French peers, some being said to use lances thicker and longer than even European knight lances.


There is no real difference in charge impact and power between couched and uncouched lance. The mass of the horse and rider are what keeps a mounted lancer moving through a mass of foot troops. To professional lancers, however, the advantage of the couched form is simply one of reach and stability: that the lance is now held further away from the point and balanced under the arm means the overall lance point is extended further. At the same time, the stability of a couched form means a rider has less a chance of losing his grip on his lance in a charge because of the force of impact against an enemy.

[Eriol]

Would you consider the lances in the clip to be realistic?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JFiV0dibIbg&feature=related

[Inhuman One]

Is it just me or do the lances in game look more suitable for jousting than actual combat?

[User Name]

Damn it thanks alot Eriol now I have to see Excalibur again from the beginning LOL I love that movie. I can honetsly say that the only times I've seen a difference between the 2 is when HC hits HC the initial push is felt much less by the HC with lances than the ones with spears. Maybe I need to play a few custom battles and look for the differenc.

[stoma]

I actually really like spear armed calvary.
Sipahi lancers are my favorite calvary in the game.

[maxstill]

i already told you, find the books wrote by Philip Brooks and Edward GIbbon,Knights and Castles and the Fall of the Byzantine Empire,great historyans[and don't give me examples of movies because they can be false too,books are the solution]

[Eriol]

http://medieval.ucdavis.edu/20C/Weapons2.html

There you can see a lot of different medieval poleweapons, including lances.