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    McCain on judicial activism: Look no farther than Obama

    Anyone hear this speech?

    There is one great exception in our day, however, and that is the common and systematic abuse of our federal courts by the people we entrust with judicial power. For decades now, some federal judges have taken it upon themselves to pronounce and rule on matters that were never intended to be heard in courts or decided by judges. With a presumption that would have amazed the framers of our Constitution, and legal reasoning that would have mystified them, federal judges today issue rulings and opinions on policy questions that should be decided democratically. Assured of lifetime tenures, these judges show little regard for the authority of the president, the Congress, and the states. They display even less interest in the will of the people. And the only remedy available to any of us is to find, nominate, and confirm better judges. ….

    In the shorthand of constitutional discourse, these abuses by the courts fall under the heading of “judicial activism.” But real activism in our country is democratic. Real activists seek to make their case democratically — to win hearts, minds, and majorities to their cause. Such people throughout our history have often shown great idealism and done great good. By contrast, activist lawyers and activist judges follow a different method. They want to be spared the inconvenience of campaigns, elections, legislative votes, and all of that. They don’t seek to win debates on the merits of their argument; they seek to shut down debates by order of the court. And even in courtrooms, they apply a double standard. Some federal judges operate by fiat, shrugging off generations of legal wisdom and precedent while expecting their own opinions to go unquestioned. Only their favorite precedents are to be considered “settled law,” and everything else is fair game.
    Here, too, Senators Obama and Clinton have very different ideas from my own. They are both lawyers themselves, and don’t seem to mind at all when fundamental questions of social policy are preemptively decided by judges instead of by the people and their elected representatives. Nor have they raised objections to the unfair treatment of judicial nominees.

    For both Senator Obama and Senator Clinton, it turned out that not even John Roberts was quite good enough for them. Senator Obama in particular likes to talk up his background as a lecturer on law, and also as someone who can work across the aisle to get things done. But when Judge Roberts was nominated, it seemed to bring out more the lecturer in Senator Obama than it did the guy who can get things done. He went right along with the partisan crowd, and was among the 22 senators to vote against this highly qualified nominee. And just where did John Roberts fall short, by the Senator’s measure? Well, a justice of the court, as Senator Obama explained it — and I quote — should share “one’s deepest values, one’s core concerns, one’s broader perspectives on how the world works, and the depth and breadth of one’s empathy.”

    These vague words attempt to justify judicial activism — come to think of it, they sound like an activist judge wrote them. And whatever they mean exactly, somehow Senator Obama’s standards proved too lofty a standard for a nominee who was brilliant, fair-minded, and learned in the law, a nominee of clear rectitude who had proved more than the equal of any lawyer on the Judiciary Committee, and who today is respected by all as the Chief Justice of the United States. Somehow, by Senator Obama’s standard, even Judge Roberts didn’t measure up. And neither did Justice Samuel Alito. Apparently, nobody quite fits the bill except for an elite group of activist judges, lawyers, and law professors who think they know wisdom when they see it — and they see it only in each other.

    I have my own standards of judicial ability, experience, philosophy, and temperament. And Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito meet those standards in every respect. They would serve as the model for my own nominees if that responsibility falls to me. And yet when President Bill Clinton nominated Stephen Breyer and Ruth Bader Ginsberg to serve on the high court, I voted for their confirmation, as did all but a few of my fellow Republicans. Why? For the simple reason that the nominees were qualified, and it would have been petty, and partisan, and disingenuous to insist otherwise. Those nominees represented the considered judgment of the president of the United States. And under our Constitution, it is the president’s call to make.

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    Hey he's addressing Obama meaning even old McCain reckons he'll win the nomination.

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    He addressed both but certainly he can read the numbers. Its the only reason I can see voting for him. Probably the most important factor in this election for conservatives in the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kb8 View Post
    Hey he's addressing Obama meaning even old McCain reckons he'll win the nomination.
    The only one who doesnt know Obama is the nomination in all but name is Hillary

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    Where exactly is Roe vs. Wade in the constitution?
    Exactly my point. Its not and so has no buissness being ruled on whether or not it is constitutional by SCOTUS in the first place. The only reason its around is they said it had to be enforced.
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    True but after today it seems Obama is the candidate so now they can start slating each other.

    I still don;t entirely understand what McCain is trying to accuse Obama of here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kb8 View Post
    True but after today it seems Obama is the candidate so now they can start slating each other.

    I still don;t entirely understand what McCain is trying to accuse Obama of here.
    He means Obama would nominate judges based on how he has used his bench to further social goals as opposed to fairly and faithfully interpreting and applying the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird View Post
    He means Obama would nominate judges based on how he has used his bench to further social goals as opposed to fairly and faithfully interpreting and applying the law.
    Well that is the difference between Rep. and Dem. they have different views on the criteria for a highjudge, what he has done with his job what good he has done, or his method of interpreting the law?

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    Well that is the difference between Rep. and Dem. they have different views on the criteria for a highjudge,
    Yup Republicans believe in following the constitution instead of just advancing their own agenda. At least on this matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kb8 View Post
    Well that is the difference between Rep. and Dem. they have different views on the criteria for a highjudge, what he has done with his job what good he has done, or his method of interpreting the law?
    Do you know how perverse that is? It is not the job of a judge to "do good." If it was why do we have a legislature or even laws themselves? It's the judges job to apply and interpret the law passed by Congress (obstensively laws meant to "do good"). If a law is wrong or immoral it is the job of the legislature to change it. The judge cannot and should not.

    Its sad that that is not well enough understood in America today.
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    Every president does that. Do you think Bush chose Roberts because he is fair or because he is an arch-conservative?

    Anyone who believes McCain will pick 'fair' judges needs to get their heads examined. He recently announced he will pick 'conservative judges'... He never mentioned the word fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZaPPPa View Post
    Every president does that. Do you think Bush chose Roberts because he is fair or because he is an arch-conservative?

    Anyone who believes McCain will pick 'fair' judges needs to get their heads examined. He recently announced he will pick 'conservative judges'... He never mentioned the word fair.

    A conservative judge is a fair judge, in so much as the therm conservative jufge means that he does not insert his own opinions in place of the law. An activist judge is one that uses his opinions on what the law should be in place of the letter and intent of existing law.

    Both Bush and McCain have sworn that they would not have a litmus test on the issue of abortion with judges, that sounds fair to me. Obama and Hildog both insist that their nominee uphold abortion, thereby prejudging a case not on merit but on personal opinion.
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    at least you added, "at least on this matter."

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    Again Im no fan of the current republican party.
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    Im no fan of the two party system.

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    Nice to see were starting to agree on a number of matters.
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    mccain wants to overturn roe v wade, guess what kinda judges he'll appoint

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    Quote Originally Posted by RZZZA View Post
    mccain wants to overturn roe v wade, guess what kinda judges he'll appoint
    Can't predict the future Rzzza, see David Souter and more famously Earl Warren. Both Republicans, not conservative.

    Souter wasn't seen as Warren Rudman's man (pro-life Republican), he was ironically associated with John Sununu, and probably seen as safely conservative. In Planned Parenthood v Casey, he held that Roe V Wade was the law of the land, surprising conservatives, but not Rudman.

    His book is bit of an interesting read. http://www.amazon.com/Combat-Twelve-.../dp/0679441352

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    "Judicial Activism" also known as Judges making decisions that I don't agree with.
    according to exarch I am like
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    mccain wants to overturn roe v wade, guess what kinda judges he'll appoint
    He said specifically he has not litmus test on that matter. he wont even ask the question. Your cnadidates however are another matter. They will ask and decide based on that.

    "Judicial Activism" also known as Judges making decisions that I don't agree with.
    Its knows as Judges decisions that dont agree with the constitution LOL.
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