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    Bill: Stop selling Playboy, Penthouse on base

    By Karen Jowers - Staff writer
    Posted : Thursday Apr 24, 2008 8:21:42 EDT

    Concerned that the military is selling pornography in exchange stores in spite of a ban, one lawmaker has introduced a bill to clean up the matter.

    “Our troops should not see their honor sullied so that the moguls behind magazines like Playboy and Penthouse can profit,” said Rep. Paul Broun, R-Ga., unveiling his House bill April 16.

    His Military Honor and Decency Act would amend a provision of the 1997 Defense Authorization Act that banned sales of “sexually explicit material” on military bases.

    The new language would “close existing loopholes” in regulations to bring the military “into compliance with the intent of the 1997 law,” Broun said.

    “Allowing sale of pornography on military bases has harmed military men and women by escalating the number of violent, sexual crimes, feeding a base addiction, eroding the family as the primary building block of society, and denigrating the moral standing of our troops both here and abroad,” Broun said.

    Broun said he wants to bring the Defense Department into compliance with the intent of the 1997 law “so that taxpayers will not be footing the costs of distributing pornography.”

    Exchange officials noted that tax dollars are not used to procure magazines in the system’s largely self-funded operations.

    But Broun’s spokesman John Kennedy contended that taxpayer dollars are involved — “used to pay military salaries, so taxpayer money is, in effect, being used to buy these materials,” he said.

    Broun’s bill, which has 15 co-sponsors and has been referred to the House Armed Services Committee for consideration, would tighten the definition of pornography. One part of the provision states that if a print publication is a periodical, it would be considered sexually explicit if “it regularly features or gives prominence to nudity or sexual or excretory activities or organs in a lascivious way.”

    Previously, defense officials have said, they do not consider nudity in itself to be “lascivious.”

    “It’s not our intent to have an art magazine banned,” Kennedy said. “Our intention is to enforce the 1997 law so that magazines are banned that feature nudity in a way to develop a prurient interest in a reader.”

    He said Broun has specifically named Playboy and Penthouse because those two publications “were always intended to be banned and will now be covered.”

    Playboy was determined not to be sexually explicit by the Defense Department’s Resale Activities Board of Review.

    Although Penthouse initially was banned, new ownership and a new editing team have revised its format, and the Defense Department board allowed it to return to exchanges after another review last year.

    “Few people will contest the notion that Playboy and Penthouse and others are sexually explicit,” Kennedy said. “However, DoD officials with a wink and a nod do not find that these rise to the definition.”

    Kennedy said Broun “is a medical doctor and ‘addictionologist’ who is familiar with the negative consequences associated with long-term exposure to pornography,” especially women in the military “who have to deal with this.”

    Until now, the board has been required to review only newly submitted material, and also reconsider material banned for at least five years, at the request of the publication.

    Broun’s proposed legislation would require the Defense Department to annually review all material that is not deemed sexually explicit now, and is therefore allowed in military stores, to determine if it should be prohibited.

    The board did not meet between 2000 and 2005, Broun said. In 2006, the Defense Department changed its policy to let banned material be resubmitted for review every five years.

    Former Penthouse publisher Bob Guccione challenged the 1997 law in court, claiming it violated his free-speech rights by using government bureaucrats as censors.

    A U.S. district court judge agreed and barred enforcement of the law. But a divided appeals court overruled, saying military exchanges are “nonpublic forums in which the government may restrict the content of speech.”

    The Supreme Court sided with the appeals court and declined to hear the case in June 1998.
    http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/0...tores_042208w/

    I can see banning this to troops in the Middle East due to fears that it may offend our hosts, but otherwise this is idiotic.

    Also, if you want to lower sex crimes you need to make porn more, not less, available. According to a study of Japan, the greater availability of pornography dramatically lessened the number of sex crimes.

    http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/online_ar...y_rape_jp.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan
    I can see banning this to troops in the Middle East due to fears that it may offend our hosts, but otherwise this is idiotic.
    exactly what I thought. We already are putting in theme parks and pizza parlors in the green zone so whats a few nudie magazines? I think we've done everything possible to offend our muslim hosts already.

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    Does this extend to officers?

    If the Free Iraqis aren't offended by their country being invaded and occupied, i dont think they'd give a crap about nudie magazines.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    Does this extend to officers?

    If the Free Iraqis aren't offended by their country being invaded and occupied, i dont think they'd give a crap about nudie magazines.
    Well for everyone...

    And Iraq isn't the only place we are in in the Middle East...

    Finally, a playboy magazine for sell may be like throwing salt into wounds.
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    Default Re: Idiot Congressman want to keep Playboy from the military

    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Well for everyone...
    Damnit.
    And Iraq isn't the only place we are in in the Middle East...

    Finally, a playboy magazine for sell may be like throwing salt into wounds.
    But i've heard you can get hold of worse from the Iraqis themselves.

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    I have to believe its very offensive to muslim men, ally and enemy of the U.S. alike.

    But again, our green zone is basically like America in Iraq already, and what would america be without pornography?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RZZZA View Post
    I have to believe its very offensive to muslim men, ally and enemy of the U.S. alike.
    They don't want to ban it because it's offensive to Muslims, though.
    I don't think they really give a crap if their allies are offended or not.

    This is about not exposing good American Christians to the evil that comes from looking at the naked body as God created it.



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    its just in the green zone though

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    And they say they want to keep gays out of the military... this would only increase their number.
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    Default Re: Idiot Congressman want to keep Playboy from the military

    I think congressmen need to focus on more important issues when it comes to the military. For example, making sure they don't get blown up by IED's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Rahl View Post
    I think congressmen need to focus on more important issues when it comes to the military. For example, making sure they don't get blown up by IED's.
    reminds me of that trailer for Charlie Wilsons War

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    Default Re: Idiot Congressman want to keep Playboy from the military

    I wish Congressmen would spend their time on more important issues.

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    Man we'd show the Iraqi army pictures from Maxim, FHM, and Stuff. They loooooved that stuff. I've never seen a group of hornier men in my life.

    And some of them have some patricularly nasty videos on their phones and look on the internet all the time. Just because on the outside Iraq is a strict religious country, doesnt mean there isnt TONS of sexual stuff going on on the downlow. These soldiers used to tell me they could take us to Baghdad to go "Fiki, Fiki," girls. In the more urban areas sexuality isn't a big deal as it is in the more rural places.

    Politicians are by far and large a big pack of idiots in my opinion.

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    Default Re: Idiot Congressman want to keep Playboy from the military

    The troops in Iraq/Afghanistan are subjected to combat and death on a daily basis and this gentlemen thinks that being exposed to a set of naked breasts in a soft-core porn mag might corrupt their minds ? They're all mainly healthy young men, who are away from home and any real female contact, looking at a few models in a mag is'nt going to turn them into rapists. They're grown men serving in a war zone, they don't need some politician sat at home, to decide whats suitable for them to read.

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    I agree, far more important things do worry about. Just another example of a Congressman trying to get their name around, imo.

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    agreed, except for the "grown men" part.

    theyre not all grown men

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    Quote Originally Posted by RZZZA View Post
    agreed, except for the "grown men" part.

    theyre not all grown men
    Yeah, I agree, most are probably just out of their teens. I thought Playboy was a bit of an American institution, does'nt every lad read it at some time or another.

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    i dont know if a porn magazine can qualify as an american insitution, hugh hefner is a cultural icon surely but I wouldnt go so far as to call his porn magazine an american institution. Harvard is an american institition.

    and i cant spell insittuin right now and dont make me spell it.

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    Also notice his idiotic reasoning:

    But Broun’s spokesman John Kennedy contended that taxpayer dollars are involved — “used to pay military salaries, so taxpayer money is, in effect, being used to buy these materials,” he said.
    So people on welfare should be banned from pornography? Along with Post Office workers, FBI agents, CIA janitors, and census takers should be kept away from Playboy too?
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    It's not allowed to bring porno into Iraq. You can bring stuff, FHM and the likes but not playboy, hustler, penthouse and so on. The military stores at the big bases don't sell these mags in Iraq, but do sell playboy (but not the hardcore ones as these are seen as tasteless) back on bases in the states and in Europe.

    We get porn sent in boxes anyways. I can tell you, that's one of the worst things about Iraq. Forget gettign shot at and blown up, do you know how bad it sucks not to see a woman for seven months?????

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