Creation Questions

[zhangxy]

Ok, for Christians here: how did God create everything? Did he just order things to magically appear and the things just magically appeared? Is there any science behind the biblical creation? What is wrong with life coming out of nothing (assuming that God caused life to come out of no life)?

Hope you guys can help.

[Tankbuster]

I'll be following this thread... Should be very interesting
I can answer one of your questions though:

Is there any science behind the biblical creation?

No.

[Tiberius Nero]

Well, if you read the Genesis narrative closely, you will see that God isn't mentioned to have created water; after creating heaven and earth and separating light from darkness, he created a barrier between the waters above (from where rain is supposed to come, a similar belief existed among the Babylonians) and the waters below (the sea). So perhaps it is implied that everything comes from primordial water, which would be in line with some physics theories of the times.

[Ummon]

Well, if you read the Genesis narrative closely, you will see that God isn't mentioned to have created water; after creating heaven and earth and separating light from darkness, he created a barrier between the waters above (from where rain is supposed to come, a similar belief existed among the Babylonians) and the waters below (the sea). So perhaps it is implied that everything comes from primordial water, which would be in line with some physics theories of the times.

The meaning of the waters above and the waters below is quite interesting, but it doesn't have necessarily to do with rain.

It would maybe deserve a separate thread.

An introductory link on the symbolism of water: http://witcombe.sbc.edu/water/artwatersymbols.html

Also: http://witcombe.sbc.edu/sacredplaces/water.html

[Blau&Gruen]

Joking you could say, it rarely rains bottom-up.

[Blau&Gruen]

How did God create everything?

By saying

e.g. Genesis 1

By doing

e.g. Genesis 2; Psalm 104

Question answered?



see: http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0101.htm

[zhangxy]

By saying

e.g. Genesis 1

By doing

e.g. Genesis 2; Psalm 104

Question answered?



see: http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0101.htm

What I actually meant was what happened when God ordered the creation of the universe. For example, when he created the sea creatures, how did the sea creatures just come about from nothing?

Can we relate any of this to science?

Because I am Christian right now and these questions are bothering me. I'd like to know if there are any scientific theories to back up the creation from the bible. Sorry for being confusing.

[removeduser_426582376423734]

What I actually meant was what happened when God ordered the creation of the universe. For example, when he created the sea creatures, how did the sea creatures just come about from nothing?

Can we relate any of this to science?

No. No, no, no, no, no.

Because I am Christian right now and these questions are bothering me. I'd like to know if there are any scientific theories to back up the creation from the bible. Sorry for being confusing.

Come to the dar... agnostic side. We'll help you through it.

[Blau&Gruen]

What I actually meant was what happened when God ordered the creation of the universe. For example, when he created the sea creatures, how did the sea creatures just come about from nothing?

Can we relate any of this to science?

Because I am Christian right now and these questions are bothering me. I'd like to know if there are any scientific theories to back up the creation from the bible. Sorry for being confusing.

These things all take place in books if you want to say so. You have to read them in the context of the books and that's it. They say something about how you can understand and conceive yourself as part of the world. It is not science in that sense but an explanation related to you in the horizont of your possiblities and needs. The purpose is to comfort you if you're sad and to remind you if you're enthousiastically blitheful.

I hope that helps.

[Ummon]

Or it begins raining tomorrow, and ends in the past. :wink:

[Blau&Gruen]

physics theories of the times

Do we know what the theories of physics of the times were?

[Blau&Gruen]

Or it begins raining tomorrow, and ends in the past. :wink:

You have been right and I have to excuse. Certainly, day and night, the week!

[Rush Limbaugh]

Ok, for Christians here: how did God create everything?

Ask the scientists they have all the answers. See it was easy. Ill go along with anything they say unless they say its impossible for god to be behind it. Unless of course they can prove it.

[Ummon]

You have been right and I have to excuse. Certainly, day and night, the week!

No need to apologize about exchanging opinions by joke my friend.

[etcorngods]

This thread is a classic story of the "Tower of Babel" -- there is no answer on either side, but at least the religious argument sounds so ridiculous.
Certainly God or "someone" with an extremely morbid sense of humor created religion.

Take the Catholic Church. They forbid gays from being members, but most of the priests, cardinals, bishops, etc -- and yes the Pope are screamers. If he's not gay, the "Pope's not Catholic".

A Pope who wears a dress, red shoes (he really loves his "red shoes"), and the silliest hat imaginable.

The Pope's followers fall at his feet, "He's so wonderful", yet he and the Church perpetuate stagnation (Vatican is a "Stag Nation" -- all men), assault and rape children, keep the bad guys in power, and start and sustain wars.

The Pope has to be the worlds most terrible monster. Certainly he makes the leaders of Myanmar look like saints.

The ET's have pre-coded the English language to end Religion as we know it today.

See: www.etcorngods.com www.ufoetblog.com.

Catholic:
A is letter one.
Add o+66 = "ha".
Ho = H+O, W, 6 17, "Fag".
Li+66 = se, se c = Es, es+66+66 = "Cu", Copper, Pope R.
R is 18, book of job.
Therefore:
Catholic = "Cone Hat Fag Pope Job".

Create:
C reate = etaer, et or.
or-66-66 ... = 0, backwards is 0, "Ro".
r+66+66 ... = "216", "UF".
Therefore:
Create = "ET Or".
Create = "ET UFO".
Cre = C re = "er".
Er+66+66 ... = "in".
Therefore:
Create = "Inate".



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[Gary88]

what i want to know is why creationists like the idea of god magicing everything but hate the big bang because

"its stupid to believe everything came from nothing"

i'm not taking the piss its a serious question. i mean do you guys (creationists) not see the problem with that?

[Tiberius Nero]

what i want to know is why creationists like the idea of god magicing everything but hate the big bang because

"its stupid to believe everything came from nothing"

i'm not taking the piss its a serious question. i mean do you guys (creationists) not see the problem with that?

I doubt even the account of the Genesis supports creation where there was previously nothing, those are much later notions, like "nothingness" or "existence outside the universe" for god; in Genesis creation of water is not mentioned as I said above (and it is a pretty big thing to miss), so one has to assume it just existed.

Also god is "not outside of the universe", I doubt anyone at the time could have grasped concepts like "planes of existence" and whatever; he stays in a Garden which is pretty well defined as being somewhere in Mesopotamia, not outside Earth, while at the start of the creation his breath or spirit (pneuma, I am reading from the Septuagint, so anyone who reads it in Hebrew please correct me if it is wrong) is said to be carried on the water.

[Blau&Gruen]

Gen 1 is in a way a prolog to the Torah. You as a reader should already have in mind what comes later to follow the compositorial goals.

[Tiberius Nero]

It is called "Bereis" in Hebrew, if I am not mistaken, aka "Genesis", first book of the Pentateuch (aka "Torah").

[Blau&Gruen]

Bereshit, "In the Beginning"