English Levy Spearmen and Shield Wall

[Yeknod]

Shield wall was a really good feature in 6.0 but missing in 6.1 (silly schiltrom thingy has returned for levy spearmen). Anyone confirm this or advise how to get them back in 6.1?

Yeknod

[TemplarLord]

Shield wall was a really good feature in 6.0 but missing in 6.1 (silly schiltron thingy has returned for levy spearmen). Anyone confirm this or advise how to get them back in 6.1?

Yeknod

Silly? Schiltrom is silly? Schiltrom pwnz when I defend a settlement, 2 schiltrom spearmen in front of the gates, archers on the walls, and cavalry waiting 30 feet away to charge.

[Yeknod]

Well, okay... but BAH! BAH, BAH, BAH! Shield wall is so.. well, not hedgehog, not porcupine... me want shield wall BACK!

[Furiøùs]

I have never been able to use schilltron efficiently, but i was godlike at defending a settlement with 1 unit of spearmen in shield wall, 3 units of cavalry on flanks and behind, with 2-3 units of archers on wall.

Shield wall was awesome, i really dont understand how to use schilltron, i think its kind of useless, atleast in my battle strategies. Shield wall owns, Schilltron... not so much

[Caesar Clivus]

My 6.1 EDU has shield wall for Levy Spearmen. Have you got any mini-mods installed?

[Yeknod]

My 6.1 EDU has shield wall for Levy Spearmen. Have you got any mini-mods installed?

Hmmmm... interesting. Might try a complete reinstall.. schilstrom thrillsbum.

[Caesar Clivus]

Some people have reported problems with the 1.5 patch. I haven't installed 1.5 and I haven't had a single problem. If you're having troubles, try just doing M2TW > Kingdoms > SS (the Kingdoms installer will install any necessary pre-kingdoms patches)

Hmmmm... interesting. Might try a complete reinstall.. schilstrom thrillsbum.

If you still dont have it after that, you can easily change it in the EDU yourself:

1. Open the EDU (in the SS\data directory) and find the entry for Levy Spearmen.
2. in the formation line, change "schiltrom" to "shield_wall".
3. Save and exit.

[Yeknod]

BTW, what's the patch tree for Kingdoms...

MTW2 > Kingdoms > 1.05 > SS 6.0 > SS 6.1

.. or have I missed a step.. getting regular CTD on the world map but that could be down to my aging PC. Have I missed a step?

[lesterthenerd]

yeah i dont have 1.5 installed either and SS works perfectly. cept of course for those crashes caused by other sub mods.

[GiorgioIII]

i saw byzantine spearmen have shield wall

[Iscariott]

i saw byzantine spearmen have shield wall

As do much of norway's melee roster

[kpizzle]

hmm I appear to have lost all my shield wall units as well. Maybe RAJ 1.3 or the total combat mod has something to do with it. Those are the only mods I have installed. I can just edit the shield wall back in for now, but I don't know which units had it and which don't.

[Schweizergarde]

Shield Wall was a viking/saxon formation, so it makes sense for norwegian to have it. Byzantine shouldn't (edit) have it.

[Blakdust]

Ya schiltrom sucks in any kinda decent battle half the guys are facing backwards an thats never a good idea

[Iscariott]

Ya schiltrom sucks in any kinda decent battle half the guys are facing backwards an thats never a good idea

Schiltrom is awesome. Cavalry charges cant penetrate deep into the unit(reduces losses from charge). Any soldier in range agressively stabs the crap out of anyone near him(increased lethality against cav). And the unit is unflankable(hard to break if supported).

[Blakdust]

Schiltrom is awesome. Cavalry charges cant penetrate deep into the unit(reduces losses from charge). Any soldier in range agressively stabs the crap out of anyone near him(increased lethality against cav). And the unit is unflankable(hard to break if supported).

Sitting duck against ranged attacks an some get shot in the back an sides
once there weakened a wedge charge on the weakest angle can work well

[Gorrrrrn]

Playing SS6.1 with kingdoms 1.5 patch (no other mods, ie not Byg's or RR/RC) and my English levy spearmen have spear wall working very nicely.

[Streen15]

Instead of claiming the skill sucks because you don't like using it, maybe you shouldn't post it at all? I have used Schiltrom effectively MANY times. One big battle it actually saved me. My general was down to one unit, I told him to go in the middle of a schiltrom formation, and effectively warded off the enemy with my last remaining unit. If it hadn't been for that ability, I would have been flanked wayy too easily with the massive amount of cavalry that the MONGOLS had.

Furthermore, I have the Total Combat mini-mod + RAJ also downloaded, and Shield wall DOES exist for Danes / Norwegians. As someone already mentioned, it was a viking/saxon thing, so it makes sense that they have it and others don't.

[Schweizergarde]

Wedge charge does not break schiltrom, and Schiltrom, being a ring, has no "weakest angle."

It completely restricts movement and exposes half of the soldiers' backs to arrows, but it has its uses. Exposing the weakness of a situational formation doesn't mean the formation isn't useful in the situation it was designed to face.

And have fun with infantry squares in Empire Total War.

[Blakdust]

Wedge charge does not break schiltrom, and Schiltrom, being a ring, has no "weakest angle."

It completely restricts movement and exposes half of the soldiers' backs to arrows, but it has its uses. Exposing the weakness of a situational formation doesn't mean the formation isn't useful in the situation it was designed to face.

And have fun with infantry squares in Empire Total War.

It has a weakest angle when there half dead atleast it seems so
wedge charge has worked for me (obvously only had cav)
still lost a few cav but once they killed the 1st few they routed

unless its only spears vs only cav its useless an even then not archer cav
no big deal just my opinion