McCain: Senility or self sabotage?

[RZZZA]

Yesterday on the stump, McCain suggested that the only reason we fight wars in the middle east is for oil.

My friends, I will have an energy policy that we will be talking about, which will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East that will — that will then prevent us — that will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East.

Senator McCain is suggesting the only reason we're in iraq is because of oil, a suggestion that five years ago would have gotten you berated by members of his very party, as unpatriotic, as conspiratorial, as loony and ridiculous. Here McCain is admitting that the reason we are in the middle east is for oil, and there is NOTHING about this in the media, no outrage on TWC, no discussion.

if Hillary or Obama said that we fight wars in the middle east for oil, if they confused shia and sunni numerous times, on recorded television...once again John McCain gets a free pass from the liberal media and from the liberal members of this site.

[Joker85]

Hi. Ever heard of gulf war 1?

[RZZZA]

are you talking to me?

yes, gulf war 1 was fought to kick the iraqi army out of kuwait.

[Joker85]

are you talking to me?

yes, gulf war 1 was fought to kick the iraqi army out of kuwait.

And ensure the stable flow of oil. The entire world basically came together to kick him out of kuwait because it was understood that this threatened the economy of practically everyone. The reason for that is that we are all addicted to oil from that part of the world.

You are falsely attempting to imply that McCain was referring to the current war in Iraq as a "war for oil".

[Tajir]

This isn't it. McCain has been a victim of senility throughout this entire campaign. He might not even make it past his first term if he gets that far.

[Richard]

are you talking to me?

yes, gulf war 1 was fought to kick the iraqi army out of kuwait.

Yeah, because the US just doesn't like countries just beating each other up, so they felt sorry for those poor Kuwaiti's, and decided to help them out of the goodness of their hearts.

[christof139]

Yeah, because the US just doesn't like countries just beating each other up, so they felt sorry for those poor Kuwaiti's, and decided to help them out of the goodness of their hearts.

Not only that!!!!, but also out of the goodness of THE UN's HEART. The Liberation of Kuwait was a UN effort with an Egyptian and a Syrian army corps participating in direct combat as well as many other Arab and Muslim military forces from around the world. The USA simply contributed more troops and equipment and money than the other UN Coalition Forces.

The Kuwatis were quite happy at the results, and so were all the foreign workers such as the Filipinos in Kuwait.

Chris.

[RZZZA]

Yeah, because the US just doesn't like countries just beating each other up, so they felt sorry for those poor Kuwaiti's, and decided to help them out of the goodness of their hearts.

The U.s. also doesnt like telling the public that we're going to wage a war for oil, so guess what, we DID fight gilf war 1 over saddams illegal invasion of kuwait.

That was the reason the war gained any support whatsoever


oh, and @ you

[RZZZA]

he quite distinctly said that energy independence would ensure us freedom from military entanglements in the middle east, an idea that is quite insulting to the U.s. troops currently fighting and dying in iraq and afghanistan, I doubt they or their families want to know that their sacrifice has been for oil, the benefits of which the average american doesnt even see!

[Joker85]

he quite distinctly said that energy independence would ensure us freedom from military entanglements in the middle east, an idea that is quite insulting to the U.s. troops currently fighting and dying in iraq and afghanistan, I doubt they or their families want to know that their sacrifice has been for oil, the benefits of which the average american doesnt even see!

Or they understand the difference between two wars in the same country.

[RZZZA]

He was in the middle of talking about the current occupation of iraq, he was not talking about the gulf war of '91. What he was doing was hyping his not-yet-unveiled energy policy at a townhall meeting in Denver, instead he made a big gaffe and said we're in iraq for oil. An opinion that would have gotten you politically ostracized a few years ago.

and...we didn't fight the first gulf war over oil, we fought it to liberate kuwait, so at best what he said was disingenuous, inaccurate or untruthful.

[danzig]

and...we didn't fight the first gulf war over oil, we fought it to liberate kuwait, so at best what he said was disingenuous, inaccurate or untruthful.

Um bit naive there. One can argue pretty much that the US cared about Kuwait because it upset the power balance in the middle east. Iraq would have controlled too much oil and hence too much power. No country acts simply out of being nice or good it acts primarily out of self interest it just so happens first gulf war 1 was pretty much in EVERYONES interest, Saudis, Israel hell even Iran the 2nd gulf war however wasnt.

[Joker85]

Yes. The entire world came together to boot Saddam out of kuwait because of their fondness for that tiny nation that just happens to have a ton of oil.

[RZZZA]

be sarcastic all you like but the fact remains that we didnt fight the first gulf war for oil, we fought it to liberate kuwait, to admit to the public that our troops are fighting and dying for OIL is tantamount to political suicide, especially when the common man does not see any lowered gas prices.

what next, will mccain admit that our troops are fighting and dying for increased quarterly profits for some oil company?

[Joker85]

be sarcastic all you like but the fact remains that we didnt fight the first gulf war for oil, we fought it to liberate kuwait, to admit to the public that our troops are fighting and dying for OIL is tantamount to political suicide, especially when the common man does not see any lowered gas prices.

what next, will mccain admit that our troops are fighting and dying for increased quarterly profits for some oil company?

It was stated at the time that we could not allow Saddam to destabalize such a critical region...

Why is it critical again?

[Scar Face]

be sarcastic all you like but the fact remains that we didnt fight the first gulf war for oil, we fought it to liberate kuwait, to admit to the public that our troops are fighting and dying for OIL is tantamount to political suicide, especially when the common man does not see any lowered gas prices.

what next, will mccain admit that our troops are fighting and dying for increased quarterly profits for some oil company?

As much of a Political idealist that I am- and apparently you are- this is simply not true. No country acts, and this includes America, for the well being of others. No one acts for Democracy, freedom, international law. That is not a motivator. What makes a country act is either political backlash at home, money, or the potential to increase their power abroad. As much as you may want to believe America is the guardian of freedom and virtue, it is not. Nations are not any different than they were in antiquity.

Though, it is obviously political suicide to admit this.

[wilpuri]

be sarcastic all you like but the fact remains that we didnt fight the first gulf war for oil, we fought it to liberate kuwait,

Saying...

to admit to the public that our troops are fighting and dying for OIL is tantamount to political suicide, especially when the common man does not see any lowered gas prices.

...And doing are two different things. Do you really think nations, especially one like the United States, would do something out the pure good-heartedness of their leaders? You cannot be so naive.

The United States and the United Nations gave several public justifications for involvement in the conflict. The most prominent reason was the Iraqi violation of Kuwaiti territorial integrity. In addition, the United States moved to support its ally of Saudi Arabia, whose importance in the region and as a key supplier of oil made it of considerable geopolitical importance.

Source.

[Rush Limbaugh]

Rush the truth being that what he really meant was that US troops would ideally be there for 100 years in non combat roles, sorta like post-Germany and Japan?

He said no suchthing. Again where do you people come up with this BS ?

[RZZZA]

He said no suchthing. Again where do you people come up with this BS ?

from reality Rush, type "McCain 100 years Iraq" into google and you'll find all kinds of sources.

A semi-honest politician. A sight for sore eyes.


Too bad he voted for the war, or else I'd be supporting him for president.

Think for a minute. Theres nothing honest or even semi-honest about the idea that energy independence would wean us off middle eastern wars forever.

[Mongooose]

This is disgusting. He's made numerous gaffes on foreign policy (which is SUPPOSED to be his strongpoint) yet no one knows and the media is too tied up talking about Jeremiah Wright to give a damn.

Remember when he said the Irani government is connected to Al Qaeda? No one cared then either.