Replacement of Spartan Phalangites

[SpartanWarriorXI]

So in the newest release of XGM I heard something about the replacement of Spartan Phalangites with Periokoi Phalangites??? Am I just incorrect or am I thinking something else here??? Please clarify

[synthesis]

Yes, those are available after the Marian reforms, while before that you get Perioikoi hoplites.

[SpartanWarriorXI]

Ok so after the reforms can you have both Periokoi and Spartan Phalangites or just the Spartan... I kinda like this idea lol

[Kara Kolyo]

they are the same unit, just with different name

[Scutarii]

They're not the same, the Periokoi are a hoplite unit while the Phlaangites are... phalangites. Peroikoi are available Pre-Marian while the Phalangites are available Post-Marian.

[Kara Kolyo]

I wasn't clear i guess. What i meant was that the old spartan phalangites and the new periokoi phalangites are the same unit with different name

[SpartanWarriorXI]

So they're not available at the same time either pre or post???

[CaesarVincens]

No, one replaces the other.

[czePowerslave]

And both keep kicking butt!

edit - I have the Periokoi unit in my stack, ideal shock troops while hypaspists are not available battle turners

[Balikedes]

They are definitely kick-ass to use...what I like best is they are an ATG skin, which to me means - they look awesome!

[SpartanWarriorXI]

sweet thx guys

[synthesis]

Interesting how everyone copied the original poster's typo of perioikoi.

[Scutarii]

I just guessed. I haven't actually bothered to read the unit card in campaign, so I don't know how its spelled.

[synthesis]

Let me guess, it's all Greek to you? Har, har...

[SpartanWarriorXI]

oops missed an i...

[Sarpedon99]

The perioikoi of Lacedaemonia were not Spartans per se. They were the 'outdwellers'; the merchant and tradesman class of people of the Spartan domain. They were not from the six villages that made up Sparta. They could send their sons to the 'Agoge' if they had the money but that did not make them Spartans. They had to be sponsored for adoption by a Spartan family before a son of a Perioikoi became a Spartan. They were free, sort of, and they did fight with with the Spartan army. I doubt they were outfitted as well as the warriors of Sparta. As such I think the the Spartan Perioikoi should have a dressed down look to them. The 'Spartan Phlangites' of XGM are perhaps the most splendid looking unit in all of RTW. I think that skin should represent the main Spartan army only. Just my thoughts, don't mean to be critical, nor can I do up a skin but the 'Perioikoi' and the 'Spartans' are two different class of warrior, in ability and in look......S

[synthesis]

Yeah, I'm not so sure why the change was made either. It's not the region that would make superior troops but rather the Spartan society.

[SpartanWarriorXI]

Do they look alike in the game??? Somebody post pics please lol... And I'm sure they're not equal strength fighting units... are they??? Because they surely weren't in real life

[CaesarVincens]

I think the point of two separate units is to have them change from hoplites to phalangites, to represent the adoption of Macedonian tactics.

Remember, this isn't the Spartan Royal Guard we are talking about, just the Spartan hoplites/phalanx

[SpartanWarriorXI]

Yes that would def make sense