Hittite TOTAL WAR! - big mod

[Headchopperz]

hey guys
i'm searching for some people who are interested in help making a new mod(Hittite:total war)
I can do alot of it myself but its as slow as a snail with a boulder attached to it =(
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Where you can help!:

I need help with as much as posible to make sure things fly by, i have skills in maping (normally (a word i cant say because love thing appears) up so help if a must here )
I can make Units and Texture (but i cant make the actuall model i used defaults so a moddler will be good)
And anything easle
if your good at websites and the mod gets underway you can helpalso
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I atm is doing all of that by myself and its slowley getting done but it is abit hard on my own.
the reason i am asking here is cos i found it going to slow on my own. !

Rundown -
starts -1000bc
features:
-Hittite empite (main part of game)
-Growing Egpytians
-Huge Keltoi factions (split into their tribes - eg gauls, picts... etc)
-Romans entering the world in Rome, Threat?
-Strong Greek Cities - split up into: (Spartans - Thebans - Athina's)
-primitive iron age units. trying to be as realistic as possible
-new factions in asia minor around the Hittites
-Alot harder campaign and alot more TOTAL WAR.
-the romans are just 1 faction - the senate and the people of rome
-im thinking of making the Julli 'appear' at a certain time
-Macedonions 'appear' abit int he game - want them to realy bash the enemy but not give a head start. (not biased)
-Parthians small but arising with Cheap slave units that very easily route and are total rubbish but amazingly cheap.(historicly correct)
-keltoi disputes, allies at first but we all know that keltoi's like a big punchup
-Greek disputes, allies at first but after awhile the slowley batter the *** out of eachother
-NO EASY CAMPAIGNS, ALL FACTIONS IN CAMPAIGN ARE REALISTIC AND HARD, THERE ISNT AN EASY FACTION SO YOU CAN LEARN TO PLAY, DONT UNDERESTEMATE THE ENEMY like in normall RTW they made romans easy when they actuall were tough and faced alot more problems in real life but the greeks get all the force which the romans dont get? weird.... - so thats why its as realistic as possible.


Factions (from top of head)
(trying to find a name for the birtish celts) Keltoi
Keltoi Gauls
Keltoi Picts
Senate and the people of rome
Hittites
the people of Sparta
the people of athens
the people of thebes
Scythia
Carthaginians
Egypt
Ammon (may not be added)
Achaeans
Aryans (like scythia)
Slave (of course)
Mitanni (like Hittite)
Thrace
Armenia
Macedon
Germans (keltoi?)
Parthia
julli (slight maby)
-THIS LIST MAY CHANGE-

theres alot more info and ive done alot of it atm
mainly need help on units like:
-Female Keltoi Warriors (ps Keltoi is the oringinal name for celts and it was used around the 1000-500bc time till the romans changed it and then it was changed to celts) - i cant make a skirt with tectures thats the actuall model (i cant do models)
-Keltoi Poets; they chant like priests , carry a mini tree (this is a model and its a must!) low def and atack, they are worse than druids but cheaper.
-Primitive chariots with 1 man per chariot.
-and at 400bc (i think its bc not ad) the stomach bow is invented for all factions aslong as they own certain greek cities - Spartans cant use Stomach bows as they didnt belive is using bows.

Theres alot more their just some of the main few.

i know alot about the time and this is mainly around 1000bc - 200bc - basicly leading up to Rome Total War...


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dont steal my ideas - i did this hittite as my main idea to be different

all people who help will have their names prinited clearly in the credits and anywhere easle appropriot. (=/ dodgy spelling)
Thanks
Headchopperz

sorry i like using
lol

[Salvor Hardin]

Looks quite interesting, although if I am not mistaken the Hittite Empire fell around 1200 BC. I am no historian so please do not trust my words fully.

That said, a mod focused on the collapse of the Bronze Age, with Hittites, Greeks from Micenas, Tirinth, Sparta, Argos et al, Egyptians, Caldeans, Sea Peoples and emergent Assyrians would be great.

[Headchopperz]

The empire was at its highest at 1000bc,
thats when my campaign starts
but there is not an exact date i hear it is around 1200-900bc
so 1000bc seems fair anough. (due to certain sources)
but the empire fell emediatly it wasnt a slow process thats what makes the hittite empire so amazing

[Headchopperz]

actually no 1200bc was when they had some of the epic wars with egypt
1000bc was there hight
and not to long later they fell
i dont need to know when they fall because you the player does that

[Headchopperz]

(sorry triple post)
when was rome founded?
some sources say:
1000bc
800bc
650bc
im almost defo sure its not 650bc...
does anyone know?

[monkeyman]

mythological dates say that Rome was founded when the twin brothers Romulus and Remus founded it in 753 BC. Although many archaeologists and historians do find this story just to be a myth, most do believe that the city/ village was there in this time period and most believe that the village of dates back further than 753 BC. But it still stands that rome only became a prominent town/ city in 753 BC or later. They never became an actual strong city-state or the true dominant power in Italy until they were able to throw off Etruscan control around 500 BC.

-Even the Etruscans are not a good choice for a faction because thet only bacame a strong nation around the beginning oif the 8th century BC.

-not trying to be mean but the Julii were a prominent roman family but if Rome didn't exist until at least 753 BC they couldn't have existed.

-Carthage did not even exist at this time but was actually founded in 814 BC by Phoenician settlers falling to late for this time period.

-Macedonia did not exist either. the state of macedonia was founded in the late 8th century BC or earlt 7th century BC under the Agread Dynasty.

-Finally and most important for me, Hittites as a whole nation did not exist since some time around 1180 BC. As they slowly lost control over their strongly needed metal trades in Syria they began to fell. After strong incursioncs by their long time rivals the Gasga people and the Assyrians the Hittite Empire fell and split into small Neo-Hittite city-states. These were nothing in comparison to the former empire and were seized by the Assyrians. Also as the sea people came from the west and slowly took the Hittite's western provinces like Cyprus and cilicia, they left the Hittite homeland vulnerable. Around 1180BC Hattusa, tha capitol of the Hittites, was burned.

[Headchopperz]

mythological dates say that Rome was founded when the twin brothers Romulus and Remus founded it in 753 BC. Although many archaeologists and historians do find this story just to be a myth, most do believe that the city/ village was there in this time period and most believe that the village of dates back further than 753 BC. But it still stands that rome only became a prominent town/ city in 753 BC or later. They never became an actual strong city-state or the true dominant power in Italy until they were able to throw off Etruscan control around 500 BC.

-Even the Etruscans are not a good choice for a faction because thet only bacame a strong nation around the beginning oif the 8th century BC.

-not trying to be mean but the Julii were a prominent roman family but if Rome didn't exist until at least 753 BC they couldn't have existed.

-Carthage did not even exist at this time but was actually founded in 814 BC by Phoenician settlers falling to late for this time period.

-Macedonia did not exist either. the state of macedonia was founded in the late 8th century BC or earlt 7th century BC under the Agread Dynasty.

-Finally and most important for me, Hittites as a whole nation did not exist since some time around 1180 BC. As they slowly lost control over their strongly needed metal trades in Syria they began to fell. After strong incursioncs by their long time rivals the Gasga people and the Assyrians the Hittite Empire fell and split into small Neo-Hittite city-states. These were nothing in comparison to the former empire and were seized by the Assyrians. Also as the sea people came from the west and slowly took the Hittite's western provinces like Cyprus and cilicia, they left the Hittite homeland vulnerable. Around 1180BC Hattusa, tha capitol of the Hittites, was burned.

i know about carthage, julli and macedon being later my plan was for them to appear on map, i think i said that above.

THE HITTITES WERE NEVER DESTROYED BY WAR!
THEY HAD A MASS CIVIL ROIT IN HATTUSA (oopscapslock) because the king broke several of the major rules that the hittites lived from, the walls of hatusa were actually inpenitratable with equptment they had then, the hittites then fled to the mountains. the dates are unknown but the story is true.

[Headchopperz]

i guess i could make the dates 1200bc-around 400bc
it wont change it much.

[monkeyman]

i never stated that Hattusa was destroyed by war but i did say it was burned. I was giving a rough summary of their last century as an empire. I was saying that they were surrounded by turmoil and their empire was on the verge of collapse. No one person truly knows how the Hittites fell and there are many differnet explanations. Also thank you for changing the date it will do well for a much better mod.

[Headchopperz]

an anyone help with the mod?
like i said it will help it come together alot faster

[HiiMmyself]

I like the mod, can't wait

[John I Tzimisces]

Just a bit of a nitpick, but if you're doing a hittite mod, the Urarteans are probably a better choice than Armenia. IE: The Kingdom of Urartu. Armenia emerges as a polity after the persians enter the scene.

[eddy_purpus]

are you including Troy ?

[neoptolemos]

Macedon was formed even after the Dorian invasion in Greece......

[Nakharar]

Factions (from top of head)
(trying to find a name for the birtish celts) Keltoi
Keltoi Gauls
Keltoi Picts
Senate and the people of rome
Hittites
the people of Sparta
the people of athens
the people of thebes
Scythia
Carthaginians
Egypt
Ammon (may not be added)
Achaeans
Aryans (like scythia)
Slave (of course)
Mitanni (like Hittite)
Thrace
Armenia
Macedon
Germans (keltoi?)
Parthia
julli (slight maby)


There was no Armenia it was Kingdom of Urarty no Romans Greek City states emerged after Hittites lets say 5 or 6 centuries

[stormer]

The hittite empire fell in 1180 bc and Hittite city states were created they lasted until 900Bc

[Headchopperz]

im sure i said some factions appear at a certain time
the macedions for eg will appear..
like i said this mod is coming together as slow as a snail
so if anyone can help id be realy grateful.

[Headchopperz]

ive also been away for the past 3days so there wasnt much change =(

[chalpur]

there was no parthia at this time neither' it was more likely mitanni and maybe medes...

[Jwb187]

is this dead?

i hope not